Is Jesus Christ Equal To God?
Is Jesus Christ equal to God? Based on the following scripture, and what they have heard, or been told, many people think so.
“For this reason the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the sabbath, but was also calling God his own Father, thereby making himself equal to God” (John 5:19 NRSV).
If we look at this scripture closely, and think about it logically, there are three serious problems with the claim that Jesus made himself equal with God, and so he must be God..
1. The claim was made by his enemies, the murderous ‘Jews who were seeking to kill him’.
2. They claimed Jesus had ‘broken the Sabbath’, but the Bible says that Jesus “never sinned” (1 Peter 2:22 NLT).
3. The phrase, “making himself equal to God“, is evidence against the claim that some make, namely, “Jesus is God.” The scripture doesn’t say that. Saying Jesus was “equal to God”, indicates that Jesus is not God. The scripture eliminates that possibility.
“Jesus did indeed claim equality with God by healing on the Sabbath” (The Forgotten Trinity, page 88, by James White).
The above statement is false because the apostles and their associates healed people, and they were certainly not equal to God. The power to heal, indeed, does come from God, but doesn’t make one God. When Jesus healed a paralytic, “the crowd . . . praised God for sending a man with such authority” (Matthew 9:8 NLT 2013). God sent the man Jesus with the authority to heal, but that didn’t make him equal to God.
WHILE JESUS WAS ON EARTH, PRIOR TO DEATH
But is he equal to God? Let’s look at the next scripture to see how Jesus replied:
“Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise'” (John 5:19 ESV). Jesus made very clear that he was not equal to God. Jesus made many statements during his earthly ministry that indicate his inferiority to his Father. Some examples are:
“When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me” (John 8:29 ESV). Jesus’ authority comes from his Father.
“I have not spoken on my own authority” (John 12:49 ESV). “The Father who sent me commanded me what to say and to speak” (John 12:49 NAB). The Father commands Jesus. The commander is superior to the one he commands.
“The Father is greater than I am” (John 14:28 ISV; NLT; GWT; NET; Weymouth). This statement by Jesus clearly debunks the Trinitarian equality claim.
“I am the true vine and my Father is the vine grower” (John 15:1 NAB). The vine grower, the Father, is greater than the vine, Jesus.
“Father . . . this is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and the now whom you sent, Jesus Christ” (John 17:3 NAB). Jesus calls his Father “the only true God”.
AFTER JESUS’ DEATH and RESURRECTION
How about after Jesus’ death and resurrection? Was he equal then?
“Jesus said . . . ‘ I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God'” (John 20:17). Jesus said his Father was his God, so obviously, God is superior to Christ, still.
“Who, although he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped” (Philippians 2:6 NAB). Looking back on Christ’s time in heaven prior to coming to earth, the verse explains that Christ never thought he was equal to God. The NAB note on this verse explains: “though . . . in the form of God (Gn 1:26-27), did not reach out for equality with God, in contrast with the first Adam in Gn 3:5-6″. So Jesus never even thought about trying to become equal to God. Christ’s attitude of humility prior to coming to earth, is presented to Christians as the example to follow
“The head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3). Even many years after his resurrection, God has headship over Christ, so there is no equality.
“Jesus Christ . . . has made us to be a kingdom to serve his God and Father” (Revelation 1:5,6 NIV). The Bible’s final book, Revelation, refers to Jesus’ “God and Father”. The Father is Jesus’ God. Anyone who has a God over them is an inferior to their God.
“My God” (Revelation 3:12). Jesus uses this expression 4 times in this one verse, which emphasizes his subordination to his God.
“Then the end will come come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father . . . Now when it says that ‘everything’ has been put under him, it is clear that does not include God himself, who put everything under him, it is clear that this does not include God, who put everything under under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will made made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:24-28 NIV). For all future eternity, Christ will be subject to God, and thus, never will there be any equality between Christ and God.
Is Jesus Christ equal to God? — According to the scriptures, the inspired 66 books of the Bible, no, Jesus Christ is not equal to God!
10 thoughts on “Is Jesus Christ Equal To God?”
BA1: Is Jesus Christ equal to God?
GW1: No, of course not. Jesus was a real human person who lived and died in the first century CE. God is a hypothetical supernatural person, now proven to not exist.
BA1: Based on the following scripture, and what they have heard, or been told, many people think so.
GW1: Yes, some Bible verses imply that Jesus was God, but they are mistaken. Christians seem to be divided in their views of Jesus: 1) Jesus was God incarnate. 2) Jesus was the Son of God, similar to God but not the same. 3) Jesus was a messenger of God and had been given some supernatural powers by God. 4) Jesus was just a traveling preacher who believed in God. I wonder what are the percentages of people, especially Christians, who have these differing views. If God did exist, this difference of opinion would not exist.
BA1: “For this reason the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the sabbath, but was also calling God his own Father, thereby making himself equal to God” (John 5:19 NRSV).
GW1: This is an irrational inference by the Jews. Jesus may have said that God was his father, but this would not necessarily make him equal to or identical to God, his father.
BA1: If we look at this scripture closely, and think about it logically, there are three serious problems with the claim that Jesus made himself equal with God, and so he must be God..
1. The claim was made by his enemies, the murderous ‘Jews who were seeking to kill him’.
GW1: Good point. Enemies are more likely to speak falsehoods about their opponents.
BA1: 2. They claimed Jesus had ‘broken the Sabbath’, but the Bible says that Jesus “never sinned” (1 Peter 2:22 NLT).
GW1: This just shows that different Biblical verses contradict each other and that all of the Bible could not be divinely inspired. These contradictions pertaining to God would never occur, if God did exist.
B A1: 3. The phrase, “making himself equal to God”, is evidence against the claim that some make, namely, “Jesus is God.” The scripture doesn’t say that. Saying Jesus was “equal to God”, indicates that Jesus is not God. The scripture eliminates that possibility.
GW1: Another good point. “Equal to” is not the same as “is.”
BA1: “Jesus did indeed claim equality with God by healing on the Sabbath” (The Forgotten Trinity, page 88, by James White).
GW1: Even if Jesus said it, it cannot be true. Jesus might be equal to God in some ways, but not in all ways.
BA1: The above statement is false because the apostles and their associates healed people, and they were certainly not equal to God.
GW1: That is correct. If he did exist, God would be omnipotent, having far more powers than just the power to heal.
BA1: The power to heal, indeed, does come from God, but doesn’t make one God.
GW1: False. Medical workers have some healing powers, but God does not exist and thus does not heal anyone.
BA1: When Jesus healed a paralytic, “the crowd . . . praised God for sending a man with such authority” (Matthew 9:8 NLT 2013). God sent the man Jesus with the authority to heal, but that didn’t make him equal to God.
GW1: Yes, I agree with your interpretation here, but I don’t think Jesus healed a paralytic. There are several good naturalistic explanations of the alleged healing.
WHILE JESUS WAS ON EARTH, PRIOR TO DEATH
BA1: But is he equal to God?
GW1: No, of course not.
BA1: Let’s look at the next scripture to see how Jesus replied:
“Jesus said to them, ‘Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of his own accord, but only what he sees the Father doing. For whatever the Father does, that the Son does likewise'” (John 5:19 ESV). Jesus made very clear that he was not equal to God.
GW1: Jesus is implying that God delegates or assigns powers to him.
BA1: Jesus made many statements during earthly ministry that indicate his inferiority to his Father. Some examples are:
“When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that I am he, and that I do nothing on my own authority, but speak just as the Father taught me” (John 8:29 ESV). Jesus’ authority comes from his Father.
GW1: Jesus was taught by God, and so Jesus must be inferior to God.
BA1: “I have not spoken on my own authority” (John 12:49 ESV). “The Father who sent me commanded me what to say and to speak” (John 12:49 NAB). The Father commands Jesus. The commander is superior to the one he commands.
GW1: Yes, I agree. According to some verses, Jesus was reluctant to be crucified, but God insisted on it and arranged it.
“The Father is greater than I am” (John 14:28 ISV; NLT; GWT; NET; Weymouth). This statement by Jesus clearly debunks the Trinitarian equality claim.
BA1: “I am the true vine and my Father is the vine grower” (John 15:1 NAB). The vine grower, the Father, is greater than the vine, Jesus.
GW1: Yep, I agree.
BA1: “Father . . . this is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and the now whom you sent, Jesus Christ” (John 17:3 NAB). Jesus calls his Father “the only true God”.
GW1: This is also evidence against the traditional explanation of the Trinity.
AFTER JESUS’ DEATH and RESURRECTION
BA1: How about after Jesus’ death and resurrection? Was he equal then?
“Jesus said . . . ‘ I am going to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God'” (John 20:17). Jesus said his Father was his God, so obviously, God is superior to Christ, still.
GW1: I agree.
BA1: “Who, although he was in the form of God, did not regard equality with God a thing to be grasped” (Philippians 2:6 NAB). Looking back on Christ’s time in heaven prior to coming to earth, the verse explains that Christ never thought he was equal to God. The NAB note on this verse explains: “though . . . in the form of God (Gn 1:26-27), did not reach out for equality with God, in contrast with the first Adam in Gn 3:5-6”. So Jesus never even thought about trying to become equal to God. Christ’s attitude of humility prior to coming to earth, is presented to Christians as the example to follow
GW1: I agree, and I believe Bart Ehrman agrees with us on this point and has published on it.
BA1: “The head of Christ is God” (1 Corinthians 11:3). Even many years after his resurrection, God has headship over Christ, so there is no equality.
GW1: Agreed.
BA1: “Jesus Christ . . . has made us to be a kingdom to serve his God and Father” (Revelation 1:5,6 NIV). The Bible’s final book, Revelation, refers to Jesus’ “God and Father”. The Father is Jesus’ God. Anyone who has a God over them is an inferior to their God.
GW1: Agreed.
BA1: “My God” (Revelation 3:12). Jesus uses this expression 4 times in this one verse, which emphasizes his subordination to his God.
GW1: Agreed.
BA1: “Then the end will come come when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father . . . Now when it says that ‘everything’ has been put under him, it is clear that does not include God himself, who put everything under him, it is clear that this does not include God, who put everything under under Christ. When he has done this, then the Son himself will made made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all” (1 Corinthians 15:24-28 NIV). For all future eternity, Christ will be subject to God, and thus, never will there be any equality between Christ and God.
GW1: Agreed.
BA1: Is Jesus Christ equal to God? — According to the scriptures, the inspired 66 books of the Bible, no, Jesus Christ is not equal to God!
GW1: Yes, Jesus was not equal to God, and never will be. However, although you can make this correct inference from several of the books of the Bible, you can’t make it from all 66 books. Genesis doesn’t even mention Jesus. Also, none of the books was inspired by God. Why? Because God does not exist, and this has been proven. If God did exist, there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about him.
Please see the just published article on this site, “The Brain Is Incredibly Complex — Evidence of a Creator”, for newly discovered evidence that causes reasonable people conclude that God exists.
We’ll get back with you later with more in reference to your other comments above.
BA1: Is Jesus Christ equal to God?
GW1: No, of course not. Jesus was a real human person who lived and died in the first century CE
Jesus was “fully human in every way” (Hebrews 2:17 NIV).
GW- God is a hypothetical supernatural person, now proven to not exist.
“Godless fools say in their hearts, ‘There is no God” (Psalm 14:1 GWT)
GW–some Bible verses imply that Jesus was God, but they are mistaken.
No verses ‘imply Jesus was Almighty God.’ Some indicate he was godlike (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:9), but some humans are referred to that way also (Exodus 7:1; Psalm 45:6; 82:1,6; John 10:34). Jesus himself has “God” over him (Psalm 45:7; Hebrews 1:9: Revelation 1:6; 3:12), so he can’t be God.
GW–2) Jesus was the Son of God, similar to God but not the same. 3) Jesus was a messenger of God and had been given some supernatural powers by God.
Both of these statements are true.
GW–If God did exist, this difference of opinion would not exist.
Not true, “the god of this world has blinded the minds of” many people (2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV). Even in the 1st century, there were “divisions among” Christians, and they were not all “united in the same mind and in the same purpose” (1 Corinthians 1:10 NAB). The Bible’s candor is an evidence of its divine inspiration (2 Timothy 3:16).
BA1: “For this reason the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the sabbath, but was also calling God his own Father, thereby making himself equal to God” (John 5:19 NRSV).
GW1: This is an irrational inference by the Jews. Jesus may have said that God was his father, but this would not necessarily make him equal to or identical to God, his father.
True.
BA1: 2. They claimed Jesus had ‘broken the Sabbath’, but the Bible says that Jesus “never sinned” (1 Peter 2:22 NLT).
GW1: This just shows that different Biblical verses contradict each other and that all of the Bible could not be divinely inspired. These contradictions pertaining to God would never occur, if God did exist.
No contradiction whatsoever. The Bible reports the historical facts. These slanders were made by “the Jews” who “began to harass Jesus” (John 5:16 NLT). This could be illustrated by the fairly recent claims that the 2020 US Presidential election “stolen” from D. Trump. The the contradictory claims made by both sides on this issue mean there is no truth at all?
BA1: “Jesus did indeed claim equality with God by healing on the Sabbath” (The Forgotten Trinity, page 88, by James White).
GW1: Even if Jesus said it, it cannot be true. Jesus might be equal to God in some ways, but not in all ways
No, Jesus “did not regard equality God something to be grasped” (Philippians 2:6 NAB). “Jesus did not reach out for equality with God, in contrast to the first Adam in Gn 3:5-6” (NAB note on Philippians 2:6). Jesus said, “the Father is greater than I am” (John 14:28 ISV).
BA1: Is Jesus Christ equal to God? — According to the scriptures, the inspired 66 books of the Bible, no, Jesus Christ is not equal to God!
GW1: Yes, Jesus was not equal to God, and never will be. However, although you can make this correct inference from several of the books of the Bible, you can’t make it from all 66 books. Genesis doesn’t even mention Jesus.
No, actually the Messiah, Jesus IS predicted in Genesis as being the “seed” in Genesis 3:15; 13:15,17; 15:18; 17:8 NASB; Galatians 3:16 NASB), and as “Shiloh” in Genesis 49:10 NASB). Jesus truthfully said that, “everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms” (Luke 24:44 NIV), that is, what we refer to as the entire Old Testament.In these prophecies, however, Jesus is never referred to as God, but always as someone lesser than God. Hundreds of these prophecies have already come true. None have proven false.
GW—Also, none of the books was inspired by God.
“All scripture is inspired by God” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB). You cannot prove your assertion.
GW—Why? Because God does not exist, and this has been proven.
No, it hasn’t.
GW–If God did exist, there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about him.
Using your flawed logic, if the 2020 US Presidential election had really occurred, “there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about” it.
BA1: Is Jesus Christ equal to God?
GW1: No, of course not. Jesus was a real human person who lived and died in the first century CE
BA2: Jesus was “fully human in every way” (Hebrews 2:17 NIV).
GW2: We agree.
GW1: God is a hypothetical supernatural person, now proven to not exist.
BA2: “Godless fools say in their hearts, ‘There is no God” (Psalm 14:1 GWT)
GW2: But wise persons say it aloud.
GW1: some Bible verses imply that Jesus was God, but they are mistaken.
BA2: No verses ‘imply Jesus was Almighty God.’ Some indicate he was godlike (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:9), but some humans are referred to that way also (Exodus 7:1; Psalm 45:6; 82:1,6; John 10:34). Jesus himself has “God” over him (Psalm 45:7; Hebrews 1:9: Revelation 1:6; 3:12), so he can’t be God.
GW2: False. Some verses imply that Jesus was God. Here is just one: “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 NIV. So, your claim of “no verses” is refuted.
GW1: 2) Jesus was the Son of God, similar to God but not the same. 3) Jesus was a messenger of God and had been given some supernatural powers by God.
BA2: Both of these statements are true.
GW2: Both of these statements are speculations of Christians, and they are both false.
GW1: If God did exist, this difference of opinion would not exist.
BA2: Not true, “the god of this world has blinded the minds of” many people (2 Corinthians 4:4 ESV).
GW2: Are you speaking of Satan? Then, you are speaking nonsense. If God did exist, God would not create Satan at all or would destroy him after his first bad act. And even though God does not exist, there is no good evidence for the existence of Satan.
BA2: Even in the 1st century, there were “divisions among” Christians, and they were not all “united in the same mind and in the same purpose” (1 Corinthians 1:10 NAB). The Bible’s candor is an evidence of its divine inspiration (2 Timothy 3:16).
GW2: You are missing the point. If God did exist, there would be no divisions among people regarding God. Why? Because God would regularly communicate in-person with all living persons at the same time! The Bible is not divinely inspired or written. How could it be? It has been proven that God does not exist.
BA1: “For this reason the Jews were seeking all the more to kill him, because not only was he breaking the sabbath, but was also calling God his own Father, thereby making himself equal to God” (John 5:19 NRSV).
GW1: This is an irrational inference by the Jews. Jesus may have said that God was his father, but this would not necessarily make him equal to or identical to God, his father.
BA2: True.
GW2: Then we agree on this point.
BA1: 2. They claimed Jesus had ‘broken the Sabbath’, but the Bible says that Jesus “never sinned” (1 Peter 2:22 NLT).
GW1: This just shows that different Biblical verses contradict each other and that all of the Bible could not be divinely inspired. These contradictions pertaining to God would never occur, if God did exist.
BA2: No contradiction whatsoever. The Bible reports the historical facts. These slanders were made by “the Jews” who “began to harass Jesus” (John 5:16 NLT).
GW2: There is a contradiction. The Jews claimed Jesus sinned. One or more authors of the Gospels claimed Jesus never sinned. So, the different sources contradict each other. If God did exist, we wouldn’t have this. Why? Because he would regularly communicate in-person to all living persons at the same time, and he would not contradict himself. Duh.
BA2: This could be illustrated by the fairly recent claims that the 2020 US Presidential election “stolen” from D. Trump. The the contradictory claims made by both sides on this issue mean there is no truth at all?
GW2: Of course there is truth. It is true that Trump lost the election. God is not referenced in that controversy. Your mention of the election is irrelevant here.
BA1: “Jesus did indeed claim equality with God by healing on the Sabbath” (The Forgotten Trinity, page 88, by James White).
GW1: Even if Jesus said it, it cannot be true. Jesus might be equal to God in some ways, but not in all ways
BA2: No, Jesus “did not regard equality God something to be grasped” (Philippians 2:6 NAB). “Jesus did not reach out for equality with God, in contrast to the first Adam in Gn 3:5-6” (NAB note on Philippians 2:6). Jesus said, “the Father is greater than I am” (John 14:28 ISV).
GW2: I think we agree that Jesus was not God and was not equal to God.
BA1: Is Jesus Christ equal to God? — According to the scriptures, the inspired 66 books of the Bible, no, Jesus Christ is not equal to God!
GW1: Yes, Jesus was not equal to God, and never will be. However, although you can make this correct inference from several of the books of the Bible, you can’t make it from all 66 books. Genesis doesn’t even mention Jesus.
BA2: No, actually the Messiah, Jesus IS predicted in Genesis as being the “seed” in Genesis 3:15; 13:15,17; 15:18; 17:8 NASB; Galatians 3:16 NASB), and as “Shiloh” in Genesis 49:10 NASB).
GW2: False. Jesus is not even mentioned in most books of the Bible, so your claim is refuted. You are engaged in question begging here – assuming that Jesus was the Messiah or a messiah, when this has never been proven. You will not find the term “Jesus of Nazareth” in the book of Genesis. You know this. Stop spreading disinformation.
BA2: Jesus truthfully said that, “everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms” (Luke 24:44 NIV), that is, what we refer to as the entire Old Testament.In these prophecies, however, Jesus is never referred to as God, but always as someone lesser than God. Hundreds of these prophecies have already come true. None have proven false.
GW2: Jesus was mistaken. Nothing was written of him in the OT. Where in the OT is “Jesus of Nazareth” mentioned? Nowhere! Also, if God did exist, he would not communicate through books written by men. Duh.
GW1: Also, none of the books was inspired by God.
BA2: “All scripture is inspired by God” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB). You cannot prove your assertion.
GW2: Yes, I can! 1. Genesis 1:1 NIV says: “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.” 2. If God did exist and inspired the Bible, there would be no false statements in it. 3. But Genesis 1:1 is a false statement. 4. Therefore, the Bible was not inspired by God.
GW1: Why? Because God does not exist, and this has been proven.
BA2: No, it hasn’t.
GW2: Of course it has! First, you have mostly evaded my proofs. And secondly, for the one you paid some attention to, you never found an error. Until somebody finds at least one error in each of my arguments, then nobody should believe that God exists.
GW1: If God did exist, there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about him.
BA2: Using your flawed logic, if the 2020 US Presidential election had really occurred, “there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about” it.
GW2: My logic is perfect, and your analogy doesn’t work. If God really did exist, there would not be any disagreement about his existence or about his communications. Why? Because he would regularly communicate in-person to all living persons at the same time! When has this ever occurred? NEVER. Therefore, God does not exist.
BA2: No verses ‘imply Jesus was Almighty God.’ Some indicate he was godlike (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:9), but some humans are referred to that way also (Exodus 7:1; Psalm 45:6; 82:1,6; John 10:34). Jesus himself has “God” over him (Psalm 45:7; Hebrews 1:9: Revelation 1:6; 3:12), so he can’t be God.
GW2: False. Some verses imply that Jesus was God. Here is just one: “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 NIV. So, your claim of “no verses” is refuted.
No, it’s not referring to identity, but unity. “One” in John 10:30 is the Greek word “hen”, in the neuter gender, meaning “one in unity”, the same as in John 17:11,21,22, where Jesus prays for his disciples to be “one” as he and his Father are “one”.
BA2: This could be illustrated by the fairly recent claims that the 2020 US Presidential election “stolen” from D. Trump. The the contradictory claims made by both sides on this issue mean there is no truth at all?
GW2: Of course there is truth. It is true that Trump lost the election. God is not referenced in that controversy. Your mention of the election is irrelevant here.
No, it’s completely relevant.
BA2: No, actually the Messiah, Jesus IS predicted in Genesis as being the “seed” in Genesis 3:15; 13:15,17; 15:18; 17:8 NASB; Galatians 3:16 NASB), and as “Shiloh” in Genesis 49:10 NASB).
GW2: False. Jesus is not even mentioned in most books of the Bible, so your claim is refuted. You are engaged in question begging here – assuming that Jesus was the Messiah or a messiah, when this has never been proven. You will not find the term “Jesus of Nazareth” in the book of Genesis. You know this. Stop spreading disinformation
No, Jesus is mentioned in Genesis in cryptic prophetic terms.
GW1: If God did exist, there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about him.
BA2: Using your flawed logic, if the 2020 US Presidential election had really occurred, “there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about” it.
GW2: My logic is perfect, and your analogy doesn’t work. If God really did exist, there would not be any disagreement about his existence or about his communications. Why? Because he would regularly communicate in-person to all living persons at the same time! When has this ever occurred? NEVER. Therefore, God does not exist.
Sorry, but your logic is debunked by the widely divergent claims about the 2020 election!
BA2: No verses ‘imply Jesus was Almighty God.’ Some indicate he was godlike (John 1:1; Hebrews 1:9), but some humans are referred to that way also (Exodus 7:1; Psalm 45:6; 82:1,6; John 10:34). Jesus himself has “God” over him (Psalm 45:7; Hebrews 1:9: Revelation 1:6; 3:12), so he can’t be God.
GW2: False. Some verses imply that Jesus was God. Here is just one: “I and the Father are one.” John 10:30 NIV. So, your claim of “no verses” is refuted.
BA3: No, it’s not referring to identity, but unity. “One” in John 10:30 is the Greek word “hen”, in the neuter gender, meaning “one in unity”, the same as in John 17:11,21,22, where Jesus prays for his disciples to be “one” as he and his Father are “one”.
GW3: The verse implies identity, although we agree that the verse has other interpretations. But your claim of “no verses” is refuted by just this one verse. You are prone to exaggerations.
BA2: This could be illustrated by the fairly recent claims that the 2020 US Presidential election “stolen” from D. Trump. The the contradictory claims made by both sides on this issue mean there is no truth at all?
GW2: Of course there is truth. It is true that Trump lost the election. God is not referenced in that controversy. Your mention of the election is irrelevant here.
BA3: No, it’s completely relevant.
GW3: No, it’s irrelevant. In the controversy about the election, nobody is claiming God has communicated a conclusion.
BA2: No, actually the Messiah, Jesus IS predicted in Genesis as being the “seed” in Genesis 3:15; 13:15,17; 15:18; 17:8 NASB; Galatians 3:16 NASB), and as “Shiloh” in Genesis 49:10 NASB).
GW2: False. Jesus is not even mentioned in most books of the Bible, so your claim is refuted. You are engaged in question begging here – assuming that Jesus was the Messiah or a messiah, when this has never been proven. You will not find the term “Jesus of Nazareth” in the book of Genesis. You know this. Stop spreading disinformation
BA3: No, Jesus is mentioned in Genesis in cryptic prophetic terms.
GW3: That’s just wild speculation, and it has not been proven. “Jesus of Nazareth” is not mentioned, and it WOULD BE mentioned if God did exist and if he wrote, dictated, or inspired Genesis.
GW1: If God did exist, there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about him.
BA2: Using your flawed logic, if the 2020 US Presidential election had really occurred, “there wouldn’t be so much disagreement about” it.
GW2: My logic is perfect, and your analogy doesn’t work. If God really did exist, there would not be any disagreement about his existence or about his communications. Why? Because he would regularly communicate in-person to all living persons at the same time! When has this ever occurred? NEVER. Therefore, God does not exist.
BA2: Sorry, but your logic is debunked by the widely divergent claims about the 2020 election!
GW2: I already refuted your objection twice. Forget the election and address what I said about God presenting himself universally. You are engaged in evasion again!
GW2: My logic is perfect, and your analogy doesn’t work. If God really did exist, there would not be any disagreement about his existence or about his communications. Why? Because he would regularly communicate in-person to all living persons at the same time! When has this ever occurred? NEVER. Therefore, God does not exist.
God communicates with every person on earth constantly through his creation (Acts 14:16,17; Romans 1:20; Psalm 19:1-3). In addition, he has provided “All scripture is inspired by God” (2 Timothy 3:16), “so that people are without excuse” (Romans 1:20 NIV).
GW2: My logic is perfect, and your analogy doesn’t work. If God really did exist, there would not be any disagreement about his existence or about his communications. Why? Because he would regularly communicate in-person to all living persons at the same time! When has this ever occurred? NEVER. Therefore, God does not exist.
BA3: God communicates with every person on earth constantly through his creation (Acts 14:16,17; Romans 1:20; Psalm 19:1-3). In addition, he has provided “All scripture is inspired by God” (2 Timothy 3:16), “so that people are without excuse” (Romans 1:20 NIV).
GW3: Both those claims are false. They cannot possibly be true. Why? Because God does not exist. We now know this. It has been proven. The books of the Bible were written two or three thousand years ago. The authors were just mistaken about so many things. They didn’t know any better.
GW2: My logic is perfect, and your analogy doesn’t work. If God really did exist, there would not be any disagreement about his existence or about his communications. Why? Because he would regularly communicate in-person to all living persons at the same time! When has this ever occurred? NEVER. Therefore, God does not exist.
BA—You don’t make rules about how God operates. He operates on his own terms, similar to the fact that he alone established “the laws of the universe” (Job 38:33 NLT).
BA3: God communicates with every person on earth constantly through his creation (Acts 14:16,17; Romans 1:20; Psalm 19:1-3). In addition, he has provided “All scripture is inspired by God” (2 Timothy 3:16), “so that people are without excuse” (Romans 1:20 NIV).
GW3: Both those claims are false. They cannot possibly be true. Why? Because God does not exist. We now know this. It has been proven. The books of the Bible were written two or three thousand years ago. The authors were just mistaken about so many things. They didn’t know any better.
You’re using circular reasoning, and making assertions without proof.
GW2: My logic is perfect, and your analogy doesn’t work. If God really did exist, there would not be any disagreement about his existence or about his communications. Why? Because he would regularly communicate in-person to all living persons at the same time! When has this ever occurred? NEVER. Therefore, God does not exist.
BA4: You don’t make rules about how God operates.
GW4: Here you are begging the question of God’s existence. But if God did exist, I would not make the rules by which he operates, but I have rationally inferred what his rules would be. You haven’t.
BA4: He operates on his own terms, similar to the fact that he alone established “the laws of the universe” (Job 38:33 NLT).
GW4: More question begging by you. When discussing God, you should use different language like “If God did exist, then he would…” Well of course, if God did exist, he would establish the laws of the universe. You and I just differ on what those laws would be. I rationally infer them, but you do not.
BA3: God communicates with every person on earth constantly through his creation (Acts 14:16,17; Romans 1:20; Psalm 19:1-3). In addition, he has provided “All scripture is inspired by God” (2 Timothy 3:16), “so that people are without excuse” (Romans 1:20 NIV).
GW3: Both those claims are false. They cannot possibly be true. Why? Because God does not exist. We now know this. It has been proven. The books of the Bible were written two or three thousand years ago. The authors were just mistaken about so many things. They didn’t know any better.
BA4: You’re using circular reasoning, and making assertions without proof.
GW4: False. All my reasoning is linear – from definitions to true premises to conclusion. I have presented several proofs to you that God does not exist and you’ve evaded most of them. For one that you did review, you found no errors in it.