When Was the Gospel of Matthew Written?

When Was the Gospel of Matthew Written?

The Gospel of Matthew was written anonymously, but was universally attributed to Jesus apostle Matthew, until the 1800’s. Today, most scholars, and skeptics and critics no longer believe this. Instead, they claim the Gospel of Matthew is based largely on the Gospel of Mark, which they assert was written first, and also on the totally speculative “Q” source. They claim, therefore, that Matthew is unlikely to have been written by one of Jesus closest followers, namely the former tax collector, and apostle of Jesus, Matthew Levi, but instead was written in the 80’s or 90’s CE by one or more second generation disciples. What does the evidence actually show as to when the Gospel of Matthew was written?

There are many clues that Matthew did not use Mark as a source of information. For one thing, Matthew uses the expression “the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 13:24,31,33,44,45,47thirty-two times, whereas none of the other New Testament writers use it. Based on their own speculations, those who deny the apostle Matthew’s writership claim that it is highly unlikely that an apostle of Jesus would have used secondary source. And why would he? Why would an eyewitness of so many events in Jesus life use a secondary source? — The answer is that he wouldn’t!

MANUSCRIPT EVIDENCE

Carsten Peter Thiede, an expert in papyrology, by comparison with a Greek text, called the Oxyrhynchus Papri, dated 66 CE,  found in Egypt,  and with a leather Qumran Dead Sea Scroll dated to about the same time, has been able to paleographically date three fragments of Matthew 26 (called the Magdalen Papyrus) to about the same time, or even a little earlier. Since Matthew’s original manuscript would have been written some time earlier, this puts the Magdalen fragments within about 25 years of Mathew’s original. This paleographical dating of the Oxyrhynchus Papri of Matthew’s Gospel, helps us to estimate the date of the original writing of Matthew’s Gospel as being possibly as early as the late 30’s, or early 40’s CE.

INTERNAL EVIDENCE — PRIOR TO JERUSALEM’S DESTRUCTION IN 70 CE

“The king was enraged and sent his troops, destroyed those murderers, and burned their city” (Matthew 22:7 NAB). In this parable, Jerusalem’s future destruction is pictured. Critics have claimed this indicates a post 70 CE date of writing, because they deny that prophetic prediction is possible. However, the prediction in this parable is no different from Jesus predicting his death, which was yet future (Matthew 16:21; 17:22,23; 20:17-19)

“Jesus left the temple area and was going away, when his disciples approached him to point out the temple buildings. He said to them in reply, ‘You see all these things, do you not? Amen, I say to you, there will be not be left here a stone upon another stone that will not be thrown down” (Matthew 24:1,2 NAB). Matthew recorded Jesus’ prediction of the Temple’s destruction, but his gospel records nothing about the prophesy’s fulfillment in 70 CE, nor are there any clues in the book to indicate the prophecy had been fulfilled at the time of writing. This gives a clue that the prophecy was written prior to 70 CE, in view of Matthew’s fondness for noting fulfilled prophecy. The language used to describe the temple’s destruction reflects Old Testament prophecies of divine judgement that Jesus drew upon. 

“So when you see the desolating abomination spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place . . . then those in Judea  must flee to the mountains, a person on the housetop must not go down to get things out out of his house . . . Pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the sabbath, for at that time there will be great tribulation” (Matthew 24:15-21 NAB). A post 70 CE date of writing would make these instructions historic, and unnecessary, for then current Christians. Although it is historical for us today, Matthew records Jesus prediction and exhortation, without recording any fulfillment, which is another clue as to its pre 70 CE date of writing.

“Those who collected the two-drachma tax came to Peter and said, ‘Does your teacher not pay the two-drachma tax?’ . . . Jesus said [to Peter]  . . . ‘go to the sea and throw in a hook, and take the first fish that comes up; and when you open its mouth, you will find a stater. Take that and give it to them for Me and you'” (Matthew 17:24-27 LSB). Matthew’s recording of the issue of paying the temple tax gives us another clue that the book was written while the temple was still standing, because he doesn’t provide any clarifying comments. This would seem a little strange if the gospel was written after 70 CE.

“Jesus said to them, ‘Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadduces'” (Matthew 16:6 ESV). Jesus’ warning here seems likely to have been written prior to 70 CE, since the Sadducees declined rapidly after the destruction of Jerusalem.

“That field has been called the Field of Blood to this day” (Matthew 27:8 LSB). “This story was widely spread among the Jews and is to this day” (Matthew 28:15 LSB). These two reports indicate three things: (1) Jerusalem and Judea had not been yet destroyed and Jews still lived in the area; (2) some time had passed since the recorded events; and (3) the writer was familiar with the then current views of the Jews. 

These are more evidences of Matthew’s writership some time prior to 70 CE. We thus have much internal evidence to answer the question, “When was the gospel of Matthew written?”

EVIDENCE OF MATHEW’S EYEWITNESS TESTIMONY

Matthew is presented as a tax collector in the gospel, as Matthew writes in his third person account – “As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. ‘Follow me,’ he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him. While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, ‘Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?'” (Matthew 9:9-11 NIV). This clue helps support the gospel’s ascription to Matthew. Why? Because both Mark 2:14 and Luke 5:27, in their reporting of this event, use what was likely Matthew’s birth name, “Levi”. Matthew’s use of the name “Matthew” may be his personal touch, a self-reference to the name that Jesus gave Levi after he chose to follow Christ. The fact that Matthew was a tax collector is very unlikely to be fabricated. Why? This would have been very embarrassing, even shameful, for the writer, because tax collectors were classed with the worst of people in the Roman Empire (Matthew 11:19; 18:17; Luke 18:11). 

Matthew 23:37 – “Jerusalem, Jerusalem… How often I wanted to gather your children” (NIV). Critics have claimed that in Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus is never recorded as having visited Jerusalem during his earthly ministry prior to his last week alive. How could Jesus statement at Matthew 23:37 be true if Jesus had not visited Jerusalem previously, as some skeptics claim, during his ministry? Notice the following paraphrased rendering:”Jerusalem, Jerusalem! You kill the prophets and stone the messengers God has sent you! How many times I wanted to put my arms around all your people, just as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you would not let me!” (Matthew 22:37 Good News Translation). Eyewitness apostle Matthew, who accompanied Jesus in his extensive travels knew that Jesus had visited Jerusalem a number of times. John’s later gospel reported on the fact that Jesus had already spent considerable time in the Jerusalem area (John 2:13; 4:1-4; 5:1; 7:2,10,14; 10:22,23).

The eyewitness, Matthew, puts Jesus, not only in Jerusalem, but right in the temple complex during his last week, when he reports: “Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there . . . ‘It is written,’ he said to them, ‘My house will be called a house of prayer, but you are making it “a den of robbers”‘. The blind and the lame came to him at the temple and he healed them” (Matthew 21:12,14 NIV). What is also notable in giving us a clue that the temple was still standing when Matthew wrote his account is that Jesus is quoted speaking in the present tense, “making it”, about the actions of the merchants in in the temple, whereas Mark’s and Luke’s accounts quote Jesus speaking in past tense (Mark 11:17; Luke 19:46).

“If you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer up your gift” (Matthew 5:23,24 NIV). This is also notable in giving us a clue that the temple was still standing when Matthew wrote his account, because the temple would have to be standing for this to be literally applied. Of course, Christians can, and should, apply the principle Jesus expressed here.

“Do not swear at all . . . nor by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great king” (Matthew 5:34,35 NAB). Quoting Jesus speaking in present tense, saying, ‘Jerusalem is the city of the great King’ is a clue the temple was still standing when Matthew wrote.

“The chief priests and the whole Sanhedrin were looking for false evidence against Jesus so that they could put him to death. But they did not find any, though many false witnesses came forward. Finally two came forward  and declared, ‘This fellow said, ‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.”” (Matthew 26:59-61 NIV) – This statement or charge does not make much sense without knowing the details  John 2:19 later reports: “Jesus answered them, ‘Destroy this temple, and I will raise it again in three days” (NIV). The two false witnesses perverted Jesus’ statement, because “the temple he had spoken of was his body” (John 2:21 NIV). John’s gospel had not yet been written when Matthew wrote his gospel. Yet, eyewitness Matthew, who did not need to rely on other sources, shows us why they were false witnesses – it was because of their twisted misquote of Jesus’ words.

WRITTEN PRIMARILY FOR JEWS

There are many clues that Matthew was written during the earliest years of Christianity when Christians were “speaking the word to no one except to Jews alone” (Acts 11:19 NASB), and the early years thereafter.

“The book of the genealogy of Jesus Christ, the son of David, the son of Abraham. Abraham became the father of Isaac . . . ” (Matthew 1:1,2 NAB). Matthew only traces Jesus’ genealogy back to Abraham, which is all that is necessary for Matthew’s primarily Jewish audience to prove Jesus’ genealogical pedigree to being the Messiah. He doesn’t trace it all the way back to Adam, as Luke does. Luke’s Gospel appears to have been written to all people, and to that audience Jesus Jewishness is not as important to the wider public as it is to Jews. Also notable here is that Matthew uses the expression “son of David” many times, which was very important to the Jews. 

“This was to fulfill what was spoken by the Lord through the prophet, ‘Out of Egypt I have called my son'” (Matthew 2:15 NRSV). Joseph was told by God’s angel to escape with Mary and young Jesus to Egypt (Matthew 2:13,14). The Jews would have been very familiar with what Matthew is inspired to record the fulfillment of  the prophecy at Hosea 11:1, “When Israel was a child, I loved him, and out of Egypt I called my son” (NRSV). Matthew makes the connection to Jesus, this points to Jesus as being God’s Son, as well as making the connection of Jesus being “leader and commander for the peoples” (Isaiah 55:4 ESV; NASB) of the forthcoming Christian Israel of God”(Galatians 6:16 LSB).

“The was fulfilled what was spoken through the prophet Jeremiah: ‘A voice was heard in Ramah . . . ‘”(Matthew 2:17,18 NRSV). “so that what was spoken through the prophet Isaiah might be fulfilled . . . ” (Matthew 8:17 HCSB). “What was spoken through the prophet” is used nine times in Matthew’s gospel, but none in the other three gospels. Matthew uses more Old Testament quotes and allusions than any other New Testament book (almost 130). Matthew quotes and records the fulfillments of 60 prophecies from the Hebrew Scriptures, or Old Testament. Matthew has the strongest connection to the Hebrew Scriptures of any New Testament book, and serves as a natural bridge, a gateway, an excellent transition between the Old and New Testaments. These are likely some of the reasons that Matthew’s gospel is placed first in the New Testament. The fulfillment of prophecies is important for everyone to know, but the Jews especially would have a particularly keen interest in such fulfillments.

Other clues that Matthew was written primarily for the Jews are: Many of the Old Testament quotations in Matthew are more closely matched with the Hebrew text than with the Greek Septuagint Version that is often quoted by New Testament writers. Matthew never explains Jewish customs and traditions, whereas the other three gospels, Mark, Luke and John, do. Compare Matthew 15:1-3 with Mark 7:1-5. Also notice the explanations of Jewish customs at Luke 1:8,9 and John 2:6.

These are some of the many evidences in Matthew that his gospel was written primarily for the Jews, which is a clue that it was written during the earlier years of Christianity, before Gentiles began to outnumber Jews as Christians. This helps to place the book’s time of writing as being prior to Paul’s missionary journeys, which began in the late 40’s.

EARLY OUTSIDE TESTIMONY

Many of the early church leaders, called “Fathers”, such as Papias, Irenaeus, Pantaenus, and Origin, testified that Matthew was written by Jesus’ apostle Matthew, who had been a tax collector. These early church leaders testified that Matthew was the first gospel written, and there is some testimony (Papias) that it was written in Hebrew first, then later translated by Matthew into Greek. If true, this would also possibly place Matthew as likely being written as in the 30’s to the early 40’s.

CONCLUSION

After considering all the evidence available, when was the Gospel of Matthew written? – We can safely conclude that the Gospel of Matthew was the earliest of the inspired gospels that were written, likely in the late 30’s to the mid 40’s CE.

19 thoughts on “When Was the Gospel of Matthew Written?

  1. BA1: There are many clues that Matthew did not use Mark as a source of information. For one thing, Matthew uses the expression “the kingdom of heaven” (Matthew 13:24,31,33,44,45,47) thirty-two times, whereas none of the other New Testament writers use it.

    GW1: Here you are cherry picking, a common thinking error. You pick out words and verses which support your hypothesis and ignore those which go against it. The consensus of experts is that Matthew copied from or borrowed from Mark to a significant extent, not that Matthew didn’t add anything of his own.

    BA1: Why would an eyewitness of so many events in Jesus life use a secondary source? — The answer is that he wouldn’t!

    GW1: The consensus of experts is that the author of Matthew was not an eyewitness of events in the life of Jesus. But even if he were, he still might use secondary sources. Your errors here are “non sequitur” and ignoring the experts.

    BA1: Since Matthew’s original manuscript would have been written some time earlier, this puts the Magdalen fragments within about 25 years of Mathew’s original.

    GW1: This is just speculation. Nobody knows how much earlier the original manuscript was written. Most experts believe Matthew was written after 80 CE.

    BA1: Critics have claimed this indicates a post 70 CE date of writing, because they deny that prophetic prediction is possible.

    GW1: No. Prophetic prediction is possible, but there is no confirmed instance of it. So we are justified to believe that prophetic prediction has probably never happened.

    BA1: However, the prediction in this parable is no different from Jesus predicting his death, which was yet future…

    GW1: I predict that everyone will die. Not a big deal. Jesus did not predict the day, time, place, or manner of his death.

    BA1: Matthew recorded Jesus’ prediction of the Temple’s destruction, but his gospel records nothing about the prophesy’s fulfillment in 70 CE,…

    GW1: It is highly likely that Matthew was written after 70 CE, and so Jesus’ so-called prophesy was “backdated” by the author.

    BA1: Matthew is presented as a tax collector in the gospel, as Matthew writes in his third person account…

    GW1: The fact that the author wrote in the third person and not in the first person is evidence that the author was NOT an eyewitness of Jesus. In the text itself the author never says that he was.

    BA1: Critics have claimed that in Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus is never recorded as having visited Jerusalem prior to his last week alive.

    GW1: I believe that Jesus had visited Jerusalem before his last week, maybe several times, maybe even as a child. He returned to Jerusalem to create a disturbance, be arrested, be killed, in order to become a martyr. He arranged for his own demise. This was kind of a “suicide by cop.”

    BA1: The eyewitness, Matthew, puts Jesus, not only in Jerusalem, but right in the temple complex during his last week,…

    GW1: This is the error of “begging the question.” You are assuming to be true a proposition you are attempting to prove. That is not allowed in rational discourse.

    BA1: What is also notable in giving us a clue that the temple was still standing when Matthew wrote his account is that Jesus is quoted speaking in the present tense, “making it”, about the actions of the merchants in in the temple,…

    GW1: Jesus was crucified around 30 CE, but the temple was destroyed in 70 CE, and the Gospel of Matthew was written around 80 CE. The author was writing 50 years after events he never observed. His descriptions were either fabrications or based on second or third or fourth handed observers, or both.

    BA1: Joseph was told by God’s angel to escape with Mary and young Jesus to Egypt (Matthew 2:13,14).

    GW1: If God did exist, he would not use angels to do his work. He would do his own work. And besides, God does not exist and has never existed. We now know and have proven this.

    BA1: Matthew makes the connection to Jesus, this points to Jesus as being God’s Son,…

    GW1: But if God did exist (he doesn’t), he wouldn’t have offspring or use intermediaries. He would do his own work. You are worshiping a lesser deity, not God.

    BA1: The fulfillment of prophecies is important for everyone to know, but the Jews especially would have a particularly keen interest in such fulfillments.

    GW1: Naturalistic Explanations of Supposedly Accurate Prophesies:
    1. Later authors knew earlier prophesies and fabricated stories to match those prophesies.
    2. Some persons knew earlier prophesies and acted in such a way to match them. (Self-fulfilling prophesy)
    3. Most prophesies are vague, ambiguous, or imprecise. Rarely do they predict who, what, when, where, why, and how.
    4. Some prophets may have just been good historians or sociologists who are correct in their predictions at a higher rate than lay persons.
    5. Lucky guesses.
    6. True positives are cherry-picked and false positives are ignored.
    7. Metaphorical, figurative, or other non-literal writing is mistakenly interpreted as a prediction of the future.

    BA1: Other clues that Matthew was written primarily for the Jews are:

    GW1: Matthew was written in Greek. If it had been written primarily for Jews, then it would have been written in Hebrew or Aramaic. Your claim is refuted.

    BA1: Many of the early church leaders, called “Fathers”, such as Papias, Irenaeus, Pantaenus, and Origin, testified that Matthew was written by Jesus apostle Matthew, who had been a tax collector.

    GW1: Their testimony is very shaky and has been disputed or refuted by the consensus of experts, including Bart Ehrman, which indicates that the author was not ever an eyewitness of Jesus.

    BA1: After considering all the evidence available, when was the Gospel of Matthew written? We can safely conclude that the Gospel of was the earliest of the inspired gospels that were written, likely in the late 30’s to the mid 40’s CE.

    GW1: You are safely mistaken. None of the Gospels was inspired, at least not by God who doesn’t exist. Mark was the first to be written. Matthew was likely written between 75 and 85 CE.

    1. GW1: The consensus of experts is that the author of Matthew was not an eyewitness of events in the life of Jesus. But even if he were, he still might use secondary sources. Your errors here are “non sequitur” and ignoring the experts.

      BA1: Since Matthew’s original manuscript would have been written some time earlier, this puts the Magdalen fragments within about 25 years of Mathew’s original.

      GW1: This is just speculation. Nobody knows how much earlier the original manuscript was written. Most experts believe Matthew was written after 80 CE.

      BA—The Argumentum ad populum you’re using lacks credible evidence, is highly speculative, and is a weak argument against the facts of Matthew’s writership some years prior to 70 CE.

      1. I’m not using an Argumentum ad Populum. I am using a “consensus of relevant experts” to support my position. Those are two very different things. Relevant experts base their opinions on “credible evidence.” I suggest you read or listen to Bart Ehrman more often so that you can “see” the evidence for yourself.

        Regardless of when Matthew was written (wouldn’t he date it within the manuscript?), it still is not a first-person, author-identified, promptly written, low-biased, eye witness report of any of the events in the life of Jesus or its immediate aftermath. Therefore, it is a poor source. The whole thing could be a story fabricated by the author. I believe that it is probably factual to a small degree. However, it is not up to God’s standards, if he did exist.

        If God did exist and he wanted to bring somebody, anybody, back to life, how would he do it? In front of all living persons at the same time, God would take the bones or ashes of a human person who had been dead for maybe an entire year, and right in front of everyone’s eyes he would transform those bones and ashes into the living person they once were. Now that would be impressive!!! Would anyone be doubting then? No, I don’t think so. All atheists, or nearly all, would become theists on the spot. If you will clearly and rationally consider the nature of God, if he did exist, you will conclude that this is EXACTLY what God would do.

        Open your mind and see the light!

        Sometimes it helps if you think of what God WOULD do and say, if he did exist.

        1. GW—I’m not using an Argumentum ad Populum. I am using a “consensus of relevant experts” to support my position. Those are two very different things. Relevant experts base their opinions on “credible evidence.” I suggest you read or listen to Bart Ehrman more often so that you can “see” the evidence for yourself.
          BA–No matter what you want to call it, these so-called “experts” opinion that Matthew was written pseudonymously is based on speculation, rather than “credible evidence”.
          GW—Regardless of when Matthew was written (wouldn’t he date it within the manuscript?), it still is not a first-person, author-identified, promptly written, low-biased, eye witness report of any of the events in the life of Jesus or its immediate aftermath.
          BA–False. That’s exactly what it’s based on.
          GW–Therefore, it is a poor source. The whole thing could be a story fabricated by the author. I believe that it is probably factual to a small degree. However, it is not up to God’s standards, if he did exist.
          BA–Unsupported speculation.
          GW–Sometimes it helps if you think of what God WOULD do and say, if he did exist.
          BA—“Can you send forth lightnings that they may go . . . Is it by your wisdom that the hawk soars . . . Is it at your command the eagle goes on high”? (Job 38:35,39:26,27 LSB).

          1. GW—Regardless of when Matthew was written (wouldn’t he date it within the manuscript?), it still is not a first-person, author-identified, promptly written, low-biased, eye witness report of any of the events in the life of Jesus or its immediate aftermath.
            BA–False. That’s exactly what it’s based on.

            GW: But the Gospel of Matthew itself is not that kind of report. If it is based on reports of that kind, neither you nor anyone else has proven this. Matthew does not say “One of my sources was X who was one of Jesus’s twelve disciples who spent hours with Jesus every day for three years. I interviewed X at place P on date D.” None of the Gospel authors names their sources.

            GW–Therefore, it is a poor source. The whole thing could be a story fabricated by the author. I believe that it is probably factual to a small degree. However, it is not up to God’s standards, if he did exist.

            BA–Unsupported speculation.

            GW: Which statement of mine here is unsupported? Your contrary statements are unsupported, unproven, false, or probably false. Your scholarship about Matthew is out of date by about 200 years.

            GW–Sometimes it helps if you think of what God WOULD do and say, if he did exist.
            BA—“Can you send forth lightnings that they may go . . . Is it by your wisdom that the hawk soars . . . Is it at your command the eagle goes on high”? (Job 38:35,39:26,27 LSB).

            GW: God does not send forth lightnings or birds. He does not exist. We now know and have proven this.

            GW: If God did exist, for what reason, goal, or purpose would he create human persons, in your opinion? Are you able to think for yourself on this question without relying on a Bible author?

          2. BA1: However, the prediction in this parable is no different from Jesus predicting his death, which was yet future…

            GW1: Jesus did not predict the day, time, place, or manner of his death.

            BA—Your statement from this previous post that Jesus didn’t predict the place and manner of his death is false. Here is the proof:
            “From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life” (Matthew 16:21 NIV).

            Notice the following:

            BA–-Unsupported speculation.

            GW: Which statement of mine here is unsupported?

            BA—You statements below are:

            GW—Regardless of when Matthew was written (wouldn’t he date it within the manuscript?), it still is not a first-person, author-identified, promptly written, low-biased, eye witness report of any of the events in the life of Jesus or its immediate aftermath.

            GW: But the Gospel of Matthew itself is not that kind of report. If it is based on reports of that kind, neither you nor anyone else has proven this.
            GW–Therefore, it is a poor source. The whole thing could be a story fabricated by the author. I believe that it is probably factual to a small degree. However, it is not up to God’s standards, if he did exist.

            The consensus of experts is that Matthew copied from or borrowed from Mark to a significant extent, not that Matthew didn’t add anything of his own.

            GW1: The consensus of experts is that the author of Matthew was not an eyewitness of events in the life of Jesus. But even if he were, he still might use secondary sources. Your errors here are “non sequitur” and ignoring the experts.

            BA1: Critics have claimed this indicates a post 70 CE date of writing, because they deny that prophetic prediction is possible.

            GW1: No. Prophetic prediction is possible, but there is no confirmed instance of it. So we are justified to believe that prophetic prediction has probably never happened.

            GW1: It is highly likely that Matthew was written after 70 CE, and so Jesus’ so-called prophesy was “backdated” by the author.

            BA1: Matthew is presented as a tax collector in the gospel, as Matthew writes in his third person account…

            GW1: The fact that the author wrote in the third person and not in the first person is evidence that the author was NOT an eyewitness of Jesus. In the text itself the author never says that he was.

            BA1: Critics have claimed that in Matthew, Mark and Luke, Jesus is never recorded as having visited Jerusalem prior to his last week alive.

            GW1: He returned to Jerusalem to create a disturbance, be arrested, be killed, in order to become a martyr. He arranged for his own demise. This was kind of a “suicide by cop.”

            BA1: The eyewitness, Matthew, puts Jesus, not only in Jerusalem, but right in the temple complex during his last week,…

            GW1: This is the error of “begging the question.” You are assuming to be true a proposition you are attempting to prove. That is not allowed in rational discourse.

            BA1: What is also notable in giving us a clue that the temple was still standing when Matthew wrote his account is that Jesus is quoted speaking in the present tense, “making it”, about the actions of the merchants in in the temple,…

            GW1: the Gospel of Matthew was written around 80 CE. The author was writing 50 years after events he never observed. His descriptions were either fabrications or based on second or third or fourth handed observers, or both.

            BA1: Joseph was told by God’s angel to escape with Mary and young Jesus to Egypt (Matthew 2:13,14).

            GW1: If God did exist, he would not use angels to do his work. He would do his own work. And besides, God does not exist and has never existed. We now know and have proven this.

            BA1: Matthew makes the connection to Jesus, this points to Jesus as being God’s Son,…

            GW1: But if God did exist (he doesn’t), he wouldn’t have offspring or use intermediaries. He would do his own work. You are worshiping a lesser deity, not God.

            BA1: The fulfillment of prophecies is important for everyone to know, but the Jews especially would have a particularly keen interest in such fulfillments.

            GW1: Naturalistic Explanations of Supposedly Accurate Prophesies:
            1. Later authors knew earlier prophesies and fabricated stories to match those prophesies.
            2. Some persons knew earlier prophesies and acted in such a way to match them. (Self-fulfilling prophesy)
            3. Most prophesies are vague, ambiguous, or imprecise. Rarely do they predict who, what, when, where, why, and how.
            4. Some prophets may have just been good historians or sociologists who are correct in their predictions at a higher rate than lay persons.
            5. Lucky guesses.
            6. True positives are cherry-picked and false positives are ignored.
            7. Metaphorical, figurative, or other non-literal writing is mistakenly interpreted as a prediction of the future.

            BA1: Other clues that Matthew was written primarily for the Jews are:

            GW1: Matthew was written in Greek. If it had been written primarily for Jews, then it would have been written in Hebrew or Aramaic. Your claim is refuted.

            BA1: After considering all the evidence available, when was the Gospel of Matthew written? We can safely conclude that the Gospel of was the earliest of the inspired gospels that were written, likely in the late 30’s to the mid 40’s CE.

            GW1: You are safely mistaken. None of the Gospels was inspired, at least not by God who doesn’t exist. Mark was the first to be written. Matthew was likely written between 75 and 85 CE.

            BA1: Many of the early church leaders, called “Fathers”, such as Papias, Irenaeus, Pantaenus, and Origin, testified that Matthew was written by Jesus apostle Matthew, who had been a tax collector.

            GW1: Their testimony is very shaky and has been disputed or refuted by the consensus of experts, including Bart Ehrman, which indicates that the author was not ever an eyewitness of Jesus.

            ****Commenting on this last assertion — their testimony is indeed reliable. Yes, these 20th and 21st century so-called “experts” have disputed the early church leaders testimony, but they’ve not successfully refuted it.

  2. False. I have support for all those statements. Since you claim I have no support for ALL of them, then I can refute your claim by simply presenting support for just one of them.

    I choose this one: “But if God did exist (he doesn’t), he wouldn’t have offspring or use intermediaries. He would do his own work.” Here is the support:

    Argument 4.
    Argument Against the Existence of God Based on Absence of Universal Communication: By Gary Whittenberger, 3-18-2024, 6-19-2024, 7-11-2024, 7-20-2024, 8-8-2024, 8-17-2024, 9-15-2024, 4-23-2025, 4-29-2025
    1. Definition: God is 1) the hypothetical, unique, exclusive, supernatural, self-sufficient, free, spiritual, normally invisible person, conscious intelligent agent, or sentient entity (primary traits). He/she* is maximally enduring, present, intelligent, rational, knowing, creative, powerful, and resilient (primary traits). He/she wants, but does not need, loving relationships with other persons (primary trait). He/she is also maximally loving, compassionate, cooperative, and moral with respect to other persons (secondary traits). He/she is designer and creator of the cosmos, occasional interventionist in the world, and the afterlife manager who decides the favorable or unfavorable disposition of human souls after they die (secondary traits). or 2) the Greatest Imaginable Possible Person (the “GIPPer”) or ideal person who, if he/she existed, would possess all desirable traits to the highest degrees and no undesirable traits, and who would be worthy of our greatest respect, admiration, and worship. (*Since God would not have a sex or gender, I shall use both male and female pronouns to refer to God.) (29A)
    2. If God did exist, then he/she would communicate with all other persons in the BEST POSSIBLE manner.
    3. This BEST POSSIBLE manner would be for God to regularly meet and communicate with all presently existing persons at the same time.**
    A. Nature of the Meetings
    1) God would give advance notice of the locations, days, and times of his upcoming meetings. All persons would have reserved seats at the venues.
    2) These meetings would be objective, not merely subjective.
    3)** On Earth the meeting would probably start at the same time, e.g. 9 AM, consecutively in each time zone during a single 24-hour period.
    4) God would “clone” himself/herself to be in all convenient venues at the same time where other persons exist.
    5) God would appear in the same general form as the persons to whom he/she would be communicating and in a specific form so as to minimize fear. For example, to human persons he/she might look like a kind, gentle, motherly woman 34-41 years old.
    6) God would speak, audibly and objectively, to everyone in their own primary language at the same time, although God would arrange for most people in most groups to have the same primary language.
    7) God would clearly identify himself/herself as “God”.
    8) By simple pointing and without the use of any devices, God would perform at least three amazing acts which would violate natural laws, as currently known by us, upon random request from any person in the audience. These acts would be miracles. Some examples are:
    a. Create an entire human person from a handful of dirt.
    b. Resurrect a human person who had been dead for at least a year from bones or ashes of that person.
    c. Voluntarily withstand destruction from firearms, explosives, heat, cold, or radiation.
    d. Eliminate the Sun, Moon, or stars for one minute and then restore them.
    e. Create something out of nothing.
    f. Halt entropy for one minute and then restore it to its current increasing rate.

    g. Cause a man in the audience, weighing more than 250 lbs., to levitate and hover 20 feet in the air, with no assisting technology.
    9) God would present his/her reasons for causing, facilitating, or allowing the Holocaust.
    10) God would specify the one and only moral code – the Correct Universal Ethics for Persons (CUE-P).
    11) God would specify the consequences of his/her enforcement of CUE-P.
    12) God would show how he/she derived CUE-P from the principles of reason, compassion, and cooperation.
    13) God would address a few questions, challenges, and requests from the audience.
    14) God would provide printed or electronic copies of his/her lecture and demonstrations to all persons who wanted them.
    15) God would have these meetings at regular intervals appropriate to the type of persons of his/her audience. For example, he/she would probably meet with human persons every seven years since age “seven” is considered the “age of reason” for human persons and the age at which human children would have cognitive abilities sufficient to understand most of what God said.
    16) God would say “Accept as my message only what I convey to you in these lectures and never what others claim that I say as if they are intermediaries for me. I neither need, nor want, nor use any intermediaries. Nobody speaks words in my behalf.”
    17) Almost all persons would attend the meetings of their own “free will” (if such a thing even exists). However, for those who did not make the choice, God would probably temporarily suspend their free will and require them to attend. He would judge that having the basic knowledge, as outlined above, would be more important than a free choice to attend or not attend the meetings. God would be providing good information to help all persons make better decisions in the exercise of their free will after the meetings.
    18) God would not use messengers, emissaries, delegates, assistants, offspring, prophets, angels, or any kind of intermediaries to do his/her communication or other work for him/her. He/she would do it all himself/herself.
    a) A single consistent authenticated source is more credible to people than multiple inconsistent unauthenticated sources. God would know this and he/she would want high credibility for his/her communications with other persons.
    b) Only deities who are weak, lazy, shy, or deceptive would use intermediaries, and God would have none of those traits.
    B. Reasons or Motives for the Meetings
    1) God would be motivated to present the most important sets of facts to ALL persons, including facts about his/her existence, his nature, CUE-P, and consequences, so that this knowledge would benefit all persons.
    2) God would be motivated to present moral rules for proper behavior to all persons so that they would have a clear understanding of how to behave and not behave.
    3) God would be motivated to forewarn all persons of the rewards and punishments for compliance and noncompliance with moral rules, respectively, which would increase the probability that people would get rewarded and not get punished.
    4) God would be motivated to “levelize or democratize opportunity” so that all persons would have the same basic knowledge of the universe and life with which to work. God would not show favoritism to some people over others in providing this basic knowledge.
    5) God would be motivated to minimize punishment which could occur for noncompliance with CUE-P.
    6) God would be motivated to use and would use the BEST POSSIBLE mode of communication in order to minimize eight possible adverse effects — misunderstanding, confusion, distortion, inaccuracy, doubt, disbelief, disagreement, and conflict about himself and the moral code. He/she would want there to be just ONE authority and ONE authoritative text – himself/herself and his/her word.
    7) God would be the perfect teacher, judge, and enforcer.
    8) God would know all facts about communication, including that it is better to communicate with an entire group rather than with subgroups in terms of objectivity, comprehension, and efficiency.
    9) If God did exist, then for any goal at all which he would have, he would accomplish it in the most effective, efficient, and ethical manner, i.e. the best possible manner.
    4. This kind of meeting of God with all living persons at the same time has never occurred!
    5. Therefore, God does not exist.

    And so, your claim about unsupported statements is refuted.

    1. The evidence for the beginning of the universe just keeps on coming!

      “Astronomers have discovered the oldest and most distant black hole — a behemoth that likely formed at the dawn of the universe, more than 13 billion years ago.

      The black hole lies at the center of a galaxy known as CAPERS-LRD-z9. Both cosmic objects are thought to have formed around 13.3 billion years ago, or just 500 million years after the big bang that created the universe. (The big bang theory suggests the universe started as an ultradense, extremely hot point that rapidly expanded out in all directions in a chaotic event some 13.8 billion years ago.)”—NBC News, 8-8-2025

      1. This is a misinterpretation of what we know and what cosmologists actually think. “In August 2024, Black Holes Inside and Out conference was held with a multi-disciplinary approach to black hole physics. The conference was organized by the Niels Bohr Institute and held at the iconic Black Diamond Building in Copenhagen, Denmark. It included leading theorists and experimentalists in astrophysics, general relativity, numerical relativity, gravitational wave astronomy, and cosmology. We considered this a good opportunity to survey experts on current controversies within physics.”

        68% of the attendees who completed the survey agreed with this statement: “The Big Bang theory is a theory that says the universe evolved from a hot dense state that says nothing about whether there was an absolute beginning of time or not.”

        Only 17% agreed that “the Big Bang theory is about an absolute beginning in time.”

        The authors concluded: “Several results reveal tensions between how science is often communicated and what the scientists in our survey believe. Perhaps the biggest discrepancy is the view that The Big Bang represents the beginning of time; most physicists in our survey see the theory making much more modest claims than that.”

        The citation for this survey is: Copenhagen Survey on Black Holes and Fundamental Physics. By Alice Y. Chen, Phil Halper, and Niayesh Afshordi.
        https://arxiv.org/html/2503.15776v2

        In addition, if you would like to read the most up-to-date book about models of the Big Bang, then this is the one you should read:
        Afshordi, Niayesh, and Halper, Phil. “Battle of the Big Bang: The New Tales of Our Cosmic Origins.” University of Chicago Press. 2025.

        “For there is no question that the universe is different today than it was in the past, that it has evolved over billions of years from a fiery hot dense state– the hot Big Bang. We can be confident that the Big Bang happened. But if what we mean by “Big Bang” is a state of infinite density, where time stands still and the answers to all our origin questions meet their demise, then no, most cosmologists today do not think that such a Big Bang happened.” pg. X.

        This book supports the conclusions which I have been communicating to you for the last year, at least. I have not competed the book yet, but I am sure that I will have more quotes and conclusions for you in opposition to your speculation that the universe had a beginning at the Big Bang.

        1. GW—This is a misinterpretation of what we know and what cosmologists actually think. “In August 2024, Black Holes Inside and Out conference was held with a multi-disciplinary approach to black hole physics. The conference was organized by the Niels Bohr Institute and held at the iconic Black Diamond Building in Copenhagen, Denmark. It included leading theorists and experimentalists in astrophysics, general relativity, numerical relativity, gravitational wave astronomy, and cosmology. We considered this a good opportunity to survey experts on current controversies within physics.”

          68% of the attendees who completed the survey agreed with this statement: “The Big Bang theory is a theory that says the universe evolved from a hot dense state that says nothing about whether there was an absolute beginning of time or not.”

          Only 17% agreed that “the Big Bang theory is about an absolute beginning in time.”

          BA—There’s no “misinterpretation”.
          You’re in denial of the discoveries of cosmologists, as evidenced by the following BBC article from 16 November 2023:
          “Cosmologists generally agree that the Universe began 13.8 billion years ago in the Big Bang. This is based on decades of observations showing that all the galaxies in the Universe are flying apart: in other words, the Universe is expanding. If you run the tape backwards, it looks like everything in the Universe was originally clumped together. The implication is that, at the very beginning, everything was compressed into an infinitely tiny dot or “singularity” – when then expanded astonishingly fast in the Big Bang.
          Edouard Taufenbach/Bastien Pourtout The origin of time is tied up with the conditions in the earliest Universe (Credit: Edouard Taufenbach/Bastien Pourtout)Edouard Taufenbach/Bastien Pourtout
          The origin of time is tied up with the conditions in the earliest Universe (Credit: Edouard Taufenbach/Bastien Pourtout)
          It’s tempting to ask what happened before this, but most physicists will say this is meaningless. “Time only exists as the Universe exists,” says astrophysicist Emma Osborne at the University of York in the UK. “The moment the Universe came into existence is when time started.””

          1. BA—There’s no “misinterpretation”.

            GW: You continue to misinterpret the evidence and the consensus of the relevant scientists.

            BA: You’re in denial of the discoveries of cosmologists, as evidenced by the following BBC article from 16 November 2023:

            GW: Who was the author of this article? Was this person a relevant scientist? I don’t deny the discovery of the Big Bang. However, scientists have different opinions on what happened before the Big Bang, if anything. Most do not think the Big Bang was the origin of time or the universe.

            BA: “Cosmologists generally agree that the Universe began 13.8 billion years ago in the Big Bang.

            GW: No, they don’t! They generally agree that the Big Bang began 13.8 billion years ago. So, the author of the article is misrepresenting the views of most relevant scientists.

            BA: This is based on decades of observations showing that all the galaxies in the Universe are flying apart: in other words, the Universe is expanding. If you run the tape backwards, it looks like everything in the Universe was originally clumped together.

            GW: This is true as far as it goes. Everything was clumped together in a very hot, dense, and small packet of energy about 13.8 billion years ago.

            BA: The implication is that, at the very beginning, everything was compressed into an infinitely tiny dot or “singularity” – when then expanded astonishingly fast in the Big Bang.

            GW: It was at the very beginning of the Big Bang, not the universe! The packet of energy was not infinite in temperature, density, or size. The universe today has a finite amount of energy-matter in it, so if you condense it as small as possible, it won’t be infinite in any way. For example, the size will be finite and very small, but not infinitely small.

            BA: The origin of time is tied up with the conditions in the earliest Universe (Credit: Edouard Taufenbach/Bastien Pourtout)

            GW: As far as I can tell from this citation, this is the view of two persons.

            BA: It’s tempting to ask what happened before this, but most physicists will say this is meaningless.

            GW: No, they won’t say that. They will say “We don’t know,” but most are willing to speculate about it. Most believe that the Big Bang was neither the start of the time nor of the universe.

            BA: “Time only exists as the Universe exists,” says astrophysicist Emma Osborne at the University of York in the UK.

            GW: Yes, and time and the universe are both probably eternal.

            BA: “The moment the Universe came into existence is when time started.”

            GW: This man is making the error of begging the question, same as you do. He assumes that the universe came into existence, when there is no good evidence or proof that it did. 68% of the relevant scientists believe that the Big Bang was not the start of the universe. I already gave you the citation for this. Your opinion and sources are incomplete and obsolete.

          2. No, you are in denial of the latest scientific discoveries and facts, and more importantly, God’s word (Genesis 1:1).

  3. That’s not “credible support”.
    It’s your “own imaginations” and “speculations” (Ezekiel 13:3 NLT; 1 Timothy 1:4 NAB).

    1. No. It is credible support. It is based in evidence, logic, reason, and science. You have found no error in the argument, and thus the conclusion stands — God does not exist!

      1. Here’s what you, Ehrman, and other so-called “experts’, haven’t been able to disprove:
        After considering all the evidence available, we can safely conclude that the Gospel of Matthew was the earliest of the inspired gospels that were written, likely in the late 30’s to the mid 40’s CE.

        1. You scholarship is out of date. Here is the summary from AI Google: “The Gospel According to Matthew was likely written in the last quarter of the first century, specifically between 75 and 85 AD. While some scholars propose earlier dates, the majority place it after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. This dating is based on various factors, including its relationship to the Gospel of Mark and its portrayal of Jewish-Gentile relations.” Case closed.

          1. I—You scholarship is out of date. Here is the summary from AI Google: “The Gospel According to Matthew was likely written in the last quarter of the first century, specifically between 75 and 85 AD. While some scholars propose earlier dates, the majority place it after the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD. This dating is based on various factors, including its relationship to the Gospel of Mark and its portrayal of Jewish-Gentile relations.” Case closed

            B—The facts speak for themselves:
            Carsten Peter Thiede, an expert in papyrology, by comparison with a Greek text, called the Oxyrhynchus Papri, dated 66 CE,  found in Egypt,  and with a leather Qumran Dead Sea Scroll dated to about the same time, has been able to paleographically date three fragments of Matthew 26 (called the Magdalen Papyrus) to about the same time, or even a little earlier. This paleographical dating of the Oxyrhynchus Papri of Matthew’s Gospel, helps us to estimate the date of the original writing of Matthew’s Gospel as being possibly as early as the late 30’s, or early 40’s CE.

            “The king was enraged and sent his troops, destroyed those murderers, and burned their city” (Matthew 22:7 NAB). In this parable, Jerusalem’s future destruction is pictured. Critics have claimed this indicates a post 70 CE date of writing, because they deny that prophetic prediction is possible. However, the prediction in this parable is no different from Jesus predicting his death, which was yet future (Matthew 16:21; 17:22,23; 20:17-19)

            “Jesus left the temple area and was going away, when his disciples approached him to point out the temple buildings. He said to them in reply, ‘You see all these things, do you not? Amen, I say to you, there will be not be left here a stone upon another stone that will not be thrown down” (Matthew 24:1,2 NAB). Matthew recorded Jesus’ prediction of the Temple’s destruction, but his gospel records nothing about the prophesy’s fulfillment in 70 CE, nor are there any clues in the book to indicate the prophecy had been fulfilled at the time of writing. This gives a clue that the prophecy was written prior to 70 CE, in view of Matthew’s fondness for noting fulfilled prophecy. The language used to describe the temple’s destruction reflects Old Testament prophecies of divine judgement that Jesus drew upon. 

            “So when you see the desolating abomination spoken of through Daniel the prophet standing in the holy place . . . then those in Judea  must flee to the mountains, a person on the housetop must not go down to get things out out of his house . . . Pray that your flight will not be in winter or on the sabbath, for at that time there will be great tribulation” (Matthew 24:15-21 NAB). A post 70 CE date of writing would make these instructions historic, and unnecessary, for then current Christians. Although it is historical for us today, Matthew records Jesus prediction and exhortation, without recording any fulfillment, which is another clue as to its pre 70 CE date of writing.

            “Those who collected the two-drachma tax came to Peter and said, ‘Does your teacher not pay the two-drachma tax?’ . . . Jesus said [to Peter]  . . . ‘go to the sea and throw in a hook, and take the first fish that comes up; and when you open its mouth, you will find a stater. Take that and give it to them for Me and you'” (Matthew 17:24-27 LSB). Matthew’s recording of the issue of paying the temple tax gives us another clue that the book was written while the temple was still standing, because he doesn’t provide any clarifying comments. This would seem a little strange if the gospel was written after 70 CE.

            “Jesus said to them, ‘Watch and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadduces'” (Matthew 16:6 ESV). Jesus’ warning here seems likely to have been written prior to 70 CE, since the Sadducees. declined rapidly after the destruction of Jerusalem.

            “That field has been called the Field of Blood to this day” (Matthew 27:8 LSB). “This story was widely spread among the Jews and is to this day” (Matthew 28:15 LSB). These two reports indicate three things: (1) Jerusalem and Judea had not been yet destroyed and Jews still lived in the area; (2) some time had passed since the recorded events; and (3) the writer was familiar with the then current views of the Jews. These are more evidences of Matthew’s writership some time prior to 70 CE.

          2. The book most disputed in the New Testament by critical scholars is 2 Peter. We have an article on this website, “Who Wrote 1 and 2 Peter?”
            Check it out.

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