Did Moses Write the Torah, or Pentateuch? – Why It Matters
Many modern “scholars” believe the first five books of the Bible, called the Torah, or Pentateuch, written after the exile, that is, after 586 BCE, while the older Jewish and Christian view is that Moses wrote it. Did Moses write the Torah, or Pentateuch? Why does it even matter?
The Torah was originally one scroll when originally written in ancient Hebrew, which had no written vowels. The reader would supply the vowel sounds, and people would listen when it was publicly read by the priests so they could learn the correct pronunciations. Later, in the 3rd century BCE, when the Torah was translated into Greek, which had written vowels, it became necessary to divide the Torah into five parts, which came to be called, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. From this the name Pentateuch was used to describe these five books, which were originally only one scroll in the ancient Hebrew. In any case, the entire Torah, or Pentateuch, is often referred to in the scriptures as, “the Law”, “the Law of Moses”, or sometimes, as just “Moses”.
SCRIPTURAL EVIDENCE THAT MOSES HIMSELF WROTE THE ENTIRE LAW, THE TORAH
“Then Yahweh said to Moses, ‘Write this in the book as a memorial and recite it in Joshua’s hearing . . . ‘” (Exodus 17:14 LSB margin). This literal reading from the LSB margin indicates the Torah was originally one book.
“And Moses wrote down all the words of Yahweh” (Exodus 24:4 LSB).
“These are the journeys of the sons of Israel, by which they came out from the land of Egypt by their armies, by hand of Moses and Aaron. and Moses wrote down their starting places according to their journeys by the command of Yahweh and these are their journeys according to their starting places” (Numbers 33:1-2 LSB). The geographical details in Numbers 33:3-49 assume the writer had first-hand knowledge of all the locations listed. The text documents that the itinerary account was written by Moses.
“So Moses wrote this law and gave it to the priests, the sons of Levi who carried the ark of the covenant of Yahweh, and to all the elders of Israel” (Deuteronomy 31:9 LSB).
“After Moses finished writing in a book the words of this law from beginning to end” (Deuteronomy 31:24 NIV). The inspired words of scripture credit Moses with writing the entire Pentateuch ‘from the beginning until the end’.
“They were for testing Israel, to know if they would obey the commandments of Yahweh, which He had commanded their fathers by the hand of Moses” (Judges 3:4 LSB).
“Hilkiah the priest has found the Scroll of the Law of YHWH by the hand of Moses” (2 Chronicles 34:14 Literal Standard Version). Most translations render this verse something like, “the Law of the LORD that had been given through Moses”. This literal translation of the Hebrew text indicates that Hilkiah found, not just any old scroll, but “the Scroll”, that is, the original “autograph” Torah scroll that was written by the hand of Moses himself. The point here is that this account provides evidence that the entire Pentateuch was originally one scroll written entirely by Moses’ own hand.
If Moses did not write the Torah, all these scriptures saying Moses wrote the Torah, Pentateuch are false.
OLD TESTAMENT EVIDENCE THE TORAH WAS ONE SCROLL WRITTEN BY MOSES
“He built it according to what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses . . . There, in the presence of the elders, Joshua wrote on stones a copy of the law of Moses” (Joshua 8:31,32 LSB). “Be very strong; be careful to obey all that is written in the Book of the Law of Moses” (Joshua 23:6 NIV). “The Book of the Law of Moses” was a single scroll, of which copies were made.
“In accordance with all the Law of Moses” (2 Kings 23:25 NIV). “The Law of Moses” was a comprehensive work, involving many laws from God, which Moses had written down.
“As it is written in the Book of Moses” (2 Chronicles 35:12 NIV). Notice that it is referred to as “the Book of Moses”, that is, Moses was viewed as the writer of the entire book.
“in accordance with what is written in the Law of Moses the man of God” (Ezra 3:2 NIV). The post-exilic book of Ezra attributes writership of the Torah to “Moses the man of God”.
“Remember the Law of Moses my servant that I gave him at Horeb for all Israel—both the decrees and laws” (Malachi 4:4 ISV). In this final book of the Old Testament, Yahweh God himself attributes writership of the Torah to Moses. This shows that the Law of Moses was intended to be read as a whole book.
If Moses did not write the Torah, all these scriptures saying Moses wrote the Torah, Pentateuch are false.
ARCHAEOLOGICAL EVIDENCE
While God’s Word, the Bible, has plenty of internal evidence supporting Moses’ writership in the 15th century BCE, there is also supportive archaeological evidence. One thing there is a lack of also, and that is the complete lack of any archaeological evidence against the authenticity of the Torah, Pentateuch, and Moses’ writership of it.
“Yahweh bless you, and keep you; Yahweh make His shine on you, And be gracious to you; Yahweh lift up His face on you, And give you peace” (Numbers 6:24-26 LSB). Critics have claimed that the Torah wasn’t written until the post-exilic period, that is, some time after 586 BCE, far too late for Moses to have been the writer. The discovery of Ketef Hinnom scrolls in 1979 debunked the critics claims, after epigraphers discovered that the scrolls recorded part of the Aaronic blessing quoted above. Paleographic evidence dates the scrolls to late in 7th century BCE, which is pre-exilic. This indicates the Torah had to have been written long before that time.
The Sinai 357 and 361 inscriptions, dated to circa 1446 BCE, discovered in 1904, and analyzed with modern technology in recent years, seem to provide evidence of Moses’ writing, as we can see from the following:
High-resolution photography at the turquoise mines of Serabit el-Khadem in Egypt’s south-central Sinai Peninsula highlighted faint letters that one epigrapher reads as “This is from Moses.” A parallel corpus records appeals to the Hebrew God El and the erasure of the Egyptian goddess Hathor—fuel for fresh arguments that the world’s earliest alphabet preserves traces of the biblical Exodus.
A re-survey of more than two dozen Proto-Sinaitic graffiti—rock-cut lines first noticed in 1904—reveals new findings. Independent researcher Michael Bar-Ron says stacked characters on inscription Sinai 357, opposite Mine L, include the Hebrew phrase zot m’Moshe (“This is from Moses”). His reading, he told The Humble Skeptic podcast, has been endorsed for review by University of Mainz lecturer Pieter van der Veen and Egyptologist David Rohl.—The Jerusalem Post, July 7. 2025
Dating these inscriptions to circa 1446 BCE puts them well within Moses’ lifetime, and helps give credence to his writership of the Pentateuch. It also provides independent confirmation that the exodus from Egypt took place under Moses’ leadership. Notice:
“Our bound servitude. Moses then provoked astonishment. It is a year of servitude because of the Lady” (Potsherd Sinai 361 inscription, part of two fragments of an inscribed stone). This is the translation of the Sinai 361 inscription as published in the 2016 book, The World’s Oldest Alphabet–Hebrew as the Language of the Proto-Consonantal Script
While the archaeological evidence supporting Moses’ writership of the Torah isn’t required, it can help “make the teaching about God our Savior attractive” (Titus 2:10 NIV), and also that the Bible “actually is, the word of God” (1 Thessalonians 2:13 NIV).
JESUS SAID THE LAW, OR TORAH, WAS WRITTEN BY MOSES
“And as for the dead being raised, have you not read in the book of Moses, in the passage about the bush, how God spoke to him, saying, ‘I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’?” (Mark 12:26 ESV). ” . . . haven’t you read in the book of Moshe, in the passage about the bush . . . ?” (Mark 12:26 JNT). The Torah, or Pentateuch, is referred to as “the book of Moses”, by Jesus, thus attributing writership to Moses.
“If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be persuaded even if someone rises from the dead” (Luke 16:31 LSB). “Moses”, along with “the Prophets”, is said to be part of the Hebrew Scriptures, according to Jesus Christ.
“Beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself . . . Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms” (Luke 24:27,44 NIV). “The Law of Moses” is referred to as being one of the three main sections of the Hebrew Scriptures.
“Did not Moses give you the Law?” (John 7:19 LSB). Moses is referred to as the writer of the Torah, according to Jesus’ himself.
“Do not think I will accuse you before the Father. Your accuser is Moses, on who your hopes are set. If you believed Moses, you would believe me, for he wrote about me. But since you do not believe what he wrote, how are you to believe what I say” (John 7:45-47 NIV). Jesus Christ, the Son of God, identifies Moses as the writer of the Law, and, as such, his writing of the Torah is authoritative. For Moses to be a valid accuser, his testimony had to be reliable (Deuteronomy 19:16-19). If Moses didn’t write the Law, how could the Jews be accountable to him? The fact is, they wouldn’t be, if Moses didn’t write the Torah.
If Moses didn’t write the Torah, Pentateuch, Jesus is confused, or the Gospels are not accurate.
NEW TESTAMENT TESTIMONY THAT MOSES WROTE THE TORAH
“From the Law of Moses and from the Prophets he tried to persuade them about Jesus” (Acts 28:23 NIV).”Making use of both the Torah of Moshe and the Prophets to persuade them about Jesus” (Acts 28:23 JNT). Luke, the writer of Acts, records the history of how the apostle Paul quoted “from the Law of Moses” as a major part of scripture. The point here is that Moses is considered the writer of the Torah.
“It is written in the Law of Moses: ‘Do not muzzle an ox while it is treading out the grain'” (1 Corinthians 9:9 NIV). Deuteronomy 25:4 is quoted by the apostle Paul as being “the Law of Moses”.
“Someone who disregards the Torah of Moshe is put to death without mercy on the word of two or three witnesses” (Hebrews 10:28 JNT). The Law of Moses, the Torah, was certainly considered authoritative, not a work of fiction.
If Moses didn’t write the Torah, Pentateuch, the New Testament writers are confused, and the New Testament is not accurate.
CONCLUSION
The first five books of the New Testament, the Torah, or Pentateuch, are the foundation for the entire Bible. It explains how “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1), including the creation of humans , and the beginning of sin and death (Romans 5:12), God’s covenant dealings with Abraham and his descendants, and the nation of Israel (Exodus 19,20), and much more. If Moses didn’t write the Torah, Pentateuch, it is no more than fiction, and the Bible is just another religious myth.
An investigation of the facts, the evidence, reveals that the Torah, Pentateuch, is completely authoritative, historical, reliable and trustworthy, as “the word of God” (1 Thessalonians 2:13). This five book foundation for the entire 66 book canon, interwoven in harmony with the rest of the scriptures, helps to prove that, “All scripture is inspired by God” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB).
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Moses is most likely a fictional character. He certainly did not write the Torah.
Also, God does not exist. We now know and have proven this.
Here is today’s key question: If God did exist, then with what human persons would God meet during the course of their lives before their deaths? Justify your answer.
A. With no human persons.
B. With some human persons.
C. With all human persons.
D. Undecided or can’t decide.
Anybody may answer.
GW—Moses is most likely a fictional character. He certainly did not write the Torah.
BA—Unfortunately for you, the facts are not on your side.
Please see the article itself for further details.
Unfortunately for you, God does not exist.
Why do you keep evading this question?
If God did exist, then with what human persons would God meet during the course of their lives before their deaths? Justify your answer.
A. With no human persons.
B. With some human persons.
C. With all human persons.
D. Undecided or can’t decide.
Actually I know why you evade the question. It creates too much cognitive dissonance for you. You can’t handle that.
GW—Unfortunately for you, God does not exist.
BA—Unfortunately for you, the facts are not on your side.
The first five books of the New Testament, the Torah, or Pentateuch, are the foundation for the entire Bible. It explains how “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” (Genesis 1:1), including the creation of humans , and the beginning of sin and death (Romans 5:12), God’s covenant dealings with Abraham and his descendants, and the nation of Israel (Exodus 19,20), and much more. If Moses didn’t write the Torah, Pentateuch, it is no more than fiction, and the Bible is just another religious myth.
An investigation of the facts, the evidence, reveals that the Torah, Pentateuch, is completely authoritative, historical, reliable and trustworthy, as “the word of God” (1 Thessalonians 2:13). This five book foundation for the entire 66 book canon, interwoven in harmony with the rest of the scriptures, helps to prove that, “All scripture is inspired by God” (2 Timothy 3:16 NAB).
Please see the article itself for further details.
Once again, you evaded my question. This is typical of Christian apologists.
GW—Once again, you evaded my question. This is typical of Christian apologists.
BW—What you’re dodging and evading is the fact that the Bible has been proven true, ever more so the longer time goes on, in sharp contrast to atheism, which has been proven false, increasingly so over time.
Once again, you evaded my question. This is typical of Christian apologists.
Here is the question again: If God did exist, then with what human persons would God meet during the course of their lives before their deaths? Justify your answer.
A. With no human persons.
B. With some human persons.
C. With all human persons.
D. Undecided or can’t decide. They have evaded it many times. Is there anyone else out there, reading this, who is willing to answer it? I don’t care if you are a Christian or not. I’m willing to listen to answers from anyone.
It doesn’t matter who the owners are. It is a fact that they evade the question. Is there anyone out there who has the courage to answer my question?
Identify one which you believe has no substance, and then I’ll debate that with you.
I am making true accusations regarding the owners of this account.You have failed to answer the specific question I asked, correct?
Here is the question again: If God did exist, then with what human persons would God meet during the course of their lives before their deaths? Justify your answer.
A. With no human persons.
B. With some human persons.
C. With all human persons.
D. Undecided or can’t decide.
You probably won’t answer it. About half of Christians evade it.
I Am.
Your question makes no sense. But then that is the point.
It is sensless to reason about a sense seen so clearly yet because you lost the wonder in your heart your clever little causless reason is the only reasonable sense you possess.
You sound like Jobs bitter wife.
God bless.
Drew, I strongly disagree with you. I believe you are mistaken.
Of course my question makes sense. What about it do you not understand?
I have had the “wonder in my heart” since I was ten years old, so you are mistaken about me.
I have learned how to think rationally and critically, but maybe you have not yet learned how to do this.
The story of Job is ridiculous. God would never behave in the way described in the story, if he did exist.
God does not exist to bless anyone. We now know and have proven this.
Why are you evading my question? You act like Pam Bondi testifying before the senate. Try again: If God did exist, then with what human persons would God meet during the course of their lives before their deaths? Justify your answer.
A. With no human persons.
B. With some human persons.
C. With all human persons.
D. Undecided or can’t decide.
GW-I have had the “wonder in my heart” since I was ten years old, so you are mistaken about me.
Mrs.Biblia: Weren’t you the one who was going to become a minister, but decided against God after you lost someone very special to you?
Is that what turned you against God?
No, you are mistaken. I became an atheist approximately THREE YEARS BEFORE my first wife died in an auto accident. I never “turned against God.” After a year of reasonable contemplation I went from believing that God exists to not believing he exists. Simple as that.
What is your story? Have you always been a Christian? Have you ever been an atheist? Have you ever practiced Wicca?
If God did exist, we would have a different world and the lives of people throughout the world would be much better. The world we live in is not compatible with the existence of God. Just look at the kidnapping in the Guthrie case. That would never have happened, if God did exist. He would have prevented it.
Many thousands of innocent victims are killed or harmed in wars, conflicts, shootings, and natural disasters every year. Why?
“We call the arrogant blessed; for evildoers not only prosper, but even test God and escape” (Malachi 3:15 NAB). Twenty-four hundred years ago, the prophet Malachi reported such injustices. Why do they happen?
The Creator, Almighty God, informed the first humans that they were essentially “free”, but that obedience to his principles for living was vital for their well-being, in fact, their life (Genesis 2:15-17 NIV). The rebellious angel called Satan the Devil influenced them to violate the Creator’s law, claiming that God was withholding good things from them, and that they would be better off to disobey God (Genesis 3:1-6; Revelation 12:9). Afterward the Creator foretold the tragic and disastrous results that would follow after the first humans rejected God’s law (Genesis 3:16-19).
The result has been that, “just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12 NIV). All humans born since (except Jesus) have been born “sinful” (Psalm 51:5 NIV). Thus, we live in a very sinful world, in which everyone makes mistakes, does bad things, and some, of course, much worse than others. The Bible realistically explains what happens in this world:
“We do not know when our time will come; like fish caught in the treacherous net, like birds caught in the snare, just so are we all trapped by misfortune when it suddenly overtakes us” (Ecclesiastes 9:12 NJB). While we certainly do have quite a bit of control over our individual “actions” (Galatians 6:4 NIV), the stark reality is that there are many things in this life that we simply have no control over.
“In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these: the righteous perishing in their righteousness, and the wicked living long in their wickedness” (Ecclesiastes 7:15 NIV). Only the Bible accurately explains the reasons behind the harsh realities of this life, such as why bad things happen to good people.
“When I applied my mind to know wisdom and to observe the labor that is done on earth — people getting no sleep day or night — then I saw all that God has done. No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun. Despite all their efforts to search it out, no one can discover its meaning. Even if the wise claim to know it, they really cannot comprehend it” (Ecclesiastes 8:16,17 NIV). While God has “revealed” (Deuteron0my 29:29 NIV) the basic things that we really need to know, there are many other things that we don’t know, and will not be able to find out, or figure out, in this world.
“The same destiny overtakes all . . . they join the dead.” “Death is the destiny of everyone; the living should take this to heart” (Ecclesiastes 9:2,3; 7:3 NIV). Everyone, good or bad, is facing death, sooner or later. There is no escape from it in this world.
“The whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one” (1 John 5:19 NKJV), because God has allowed him to be the temporary “ruler of this world” (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11 NKJV), which helps to explain why bad things happen to good people now. Satan exerts powerful negative influence in this sinful world, with some limitations, as the Bible indicates (Job 1,2; James 4:7). Will God ever do anything about it?
“The Son of God was revealed to destroy the works of the devil” (1 John 3:8 NAB), including sin. “What has been written will come true: ‘Death has been swallowed up in victory'” (1 Corinthians 15:54 NIV). In his due time, God will eliminate death and all its effects, and “will crush Satan (Romans 16:20 NKJV). “There will be no more death . . . these words are trustworthy and true” (Revelation 21:4,5 NIV). In the eternity that God has in store for those who serve him no more bad things will happen.
That’s all well and good, one wonders, but what about all the depressing thoughts and haunting memories of terrible things that have happened in the past?
“The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind” (Isaiah 65:17 NIV). For those who are given eternal life by God, they will have no bad memories or depressing thoughts, nor any “mourning or crying or pain” (Revelation 21:4 NIV).
We have reviewed why good people often experience terrible things, because of God’s allowance of: (1) sin; and (2) Satan’s challenge to God’s rulership to be settled; and (3) Satan’s rulership over the world. We’ve also reviewed what God is going to do about it.
BA1: Many thousands of innocent victims are killed or harmed in wars, conflicts, shootings, and natural disasters every year. Why?
GW1: Why? Because God does not exist. If he did, these killings would not occur.
BA1: “We call the arrogant blessed; for evildoers not only prosper, but even test God and escape” (Malachi 3:15 NAB). Twenty-four hundred years ago, the prophet Malachi reported such injustices. Why do they happen?
GW1: Why? Because God does not exist. If he did, these killings would not occur.
BA1: The Creator, Almighty God, informed the first humans that they were essentially “free”, but that obedience to his principles for living was vital for their well-being, in fact, their life (Genesis 2:15-17 NIV).
GW1: God has not informed any human beings of anything at all. God does not exist. We now know and have proven this. Genesis is just the amateur speculations of ancient men. They are not here to defend their opinions. So, if you are going to adopt their opinions, then you need to defend them.
BA1: The rebellious angel called Satan the Devil influenced them to violate the Creator’s law, claiming that God was withholding good things from them, and that they would be better off to disobey God (Genesis 3:1-6; Revelation 12:9).
GW1: This is pure nonsense. If God did exist, he would not create Satan, the Devil, or any angel who would become them. God would not commit that unethical act.
BA1: Afterward the Creator foretold the tragic and disastrous results that would follow after the first humans rejected God’s law (Genesis 3:16-19).
GW1: According to the fictional story in Genesis, God not only foretold the results, he caused the results. Not only did he punish Adam and Eve too harshly, he also punished their descendants for their sins. Both of these acts would be immoral, and so, if God did exist, he would never do them.
BA1: The result has been that, “just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all people, because all sinned” (Romans 5:12 NIV).
GW1: If God did exist, he would not punish the group for the sins of two individuals. That would be immoral, and so God would not do it.
BA1: All humans born since (except Jesus) have been born “sinful” (Psalm 51:5 NIV).
GW1: Sin would not be a genetic predisposition. It would be an act of disobedience of God, if he did exist.
BA1: Thus, we live in a very sinful world, in which everyone makes mistakes, does bad things, and some, of course, much worse than others.
GW1: People do make mistakes and do bad things, but they don’t sin. Sin would be any act of disobedience of God. But since God does not exist, sin does not exist.
BA1: The Bible realistically explains what happens in this world:
GW1: Nope. Not even close.
BA1: “We do not know when our time will come; like fish caught in the treacherous net, like birds caught in the snare, just so are we all trapped by misfortune when it suddenly overtakes us” (Ecclesiastes 9:12 NJB).
GW1: Yes, it is difficult, if not impossible, to predict harmful events. But if God did exist, he would prevent MOST harmful events to human persons.
BA1: While we certainly do have quite a bit of control over our individual “actions” (Galatians 6:4 NIV), the stark reality is that there are many things in this life that we simply have no control over.
GW1: Yes, this is true. A good example is the tsunami in southeast Asia of December 2004 which killed around 230,000 people. If God did exist, he would have prevented this.
BA1: “In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both of these: the righteous perishing in their righteousness, and the wicked living long in their wickedness” (Ecclesiastes 7:15 NIV).
GW1: We make our own meanings in life. The author’s life might have been meaningless, but mine isn’t. If God did exist, the righteous would not perish in their righteousness and the wicked would not live long in their wickedness. God would not permit this.
BA1: Only the Bible accurately explains the reasons behind the harsh realities of this life, such as why bad things happen to good people.
GW1: Nope, it doesn’t. If God did exist, most of these “harsh realities of life” would not occur. God would prevent them. Why? Because he would be maximally powerful, loving, and moral.
BA1: “When I applied my mind to know wisdom and to observe the labor that is done on earth — people getting no sleep day or night — then I saw all that God has done.
GW1: False. God has done nothing! Why? Because he doesn’t exist. We now know and have proven this. The ancient authors of the Bible believed that God exists, but now we know they were just mistaken.
BA1: No one can comprehend what goes on under the sun.
GW1: False. Human persons can and do comprehend SOME of what goes on in our universe. For example, we know that the Earth revolves around the Sun. We know that the Big Bang occurred about 13.8 billion years ago. We know that 2+2=4. We know that we exist.
BA1: Despite all their efforts to search it out, no one can discover its meaning.
GW1: The universe itself has no meaning. We make meanings in our lives. One meaning I have made for my life is to demonstrate and proclaim that God does not exist.
BA1: Even if the wise claim to know it, they really cannot comprehend it” (Ecclesiastes 8:16,17 NIV).
GW1: False. We comprehend some things. See above.
BA1: While God has “revealed” (Deuteron0my 29:29 NIV) the basic things that we really need to know, there are many other things that we don’t know, and will not be able to find out, or figure out, in this world.
GW1: One thing “we really need to know” is morality. If God did exist, he would regularly meet with us all to explain his moral code. This has never happened. Therefore, God does not exist.
BA1: “The same destiny overtakes all . . . they join the dead.” “Death is the destiny of everyone; the living should take this to heart” (Ecclesiastes 9:2,3; 7:3 NIV). Everyone, good or bad, is facing death, sooner or later. There is no escape from it in this world.
GW1: So far, there is no escape from death for any human person, period. This includes you and me. You can fantasize as much as you wish about some afterlife, but that does not change the fact that when your brain dies, your personal existence ends, period. That’s just a brute fact.
BA1: “The whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one” (1 John 5:19 NKJV), because God has allowed him to be the temporary “ruler of this world” (John 12:31; 14:30; 16:11 NKJV), which helps to explain why bad things happen to good people now.
GW1: I already refuted this. See above comments about Satan.
BA1: Satan exerts powerful negative influence in this sinful world, with some limitations, as the Bible indicates (Job 1,2; James 4:7). Will God ever do anything about it?
GW1: If God did exist, he would already have done something about it – prevented it. Duh.
BA1: “The Son of God was revealed to destroy the works of the devil” (1 John 3:8 NAB), including sin.
GW1: Pure nonsense. If God did exist, he would neither have nor use any offspring, ambassadors, delegates, messengers, emissaries, or assistants. He would do his own work. Duh. After all, he would be ALL POWERFUL and perfectly moral.
BA1: “What has been written will come true: ‘Death has been swallowed up in victory’” (1 Corinthians 15:54 NIV).
GW1: Most Biblical prophesies have never come true. Death is still with us.
BA1: In his due time, God will eliminate death and all its effects, and “will crush Satan (Romans 16:20 NKJV). “There will be no more death . . . these words are trustworthy and true” (Revelation 21:4,5 NIV).
GW1: Nope. If God did exist, he would not have created death in the first place, at least not for human persons. And he would not have created Satan. See above.
BA1: In the eternity that God has in store for those who serve him no more bad things will happen.
GW1: I disagree. If God did exist, there would always be some bad things which would happen to people, but they would be minor bad things, not major ones. Examples of major bad things which would NOT occur are tsunamis, hurricanes, cancer, Covid, assault, kidnappings, murder, and genocide. God would not allow these things to happen.
BA1: That’s all well and good, one wonders, but what about all the depressing thoughts and haunting memories of terrible things that have happened in the past?
GW1: The memories of these terrible things never go away completely, but they fade, and there are some effective ways to cope with them. However, if God did exist, most terrible events would not occur. He would prevent them.
BA1: “The former things will not be remembered, nor will they come to mind” (Isaiah 65:17 NIV).
GW1: Yes, this happens in our current lives.
BA1: For those who are given eternal life by God, they will have no bad memories or depressing thoughts, nor any “mourning or crying or pain” (Revelation 21:4 NIV).
GW1: If God did exist, he would give eternal life to all human persons, but we would still have some bad memories and depressing thoughts about minor harms which would still occur.
BA1: We have reviewed why good people often experience terrible things, because of God’s allowance of: (1) sin; and (2) Satan’s challenge to God’s rulership to be settled; and (3) Satan’s rulership over the world. We’ve also reviewed what God is going to do about it.
GW1: If God did exist, he would still allow some sin, but it would entail minor acts of sin. God would not give us the free will to commit assault, murder, or genocide, among other things. If God did exist, he would not create Satan or allow him to exist. God is not going to do anything about anything. Why? Because God does not exist. We now know and have proven this.
GW1: Let’s take the incident I brought up. The Guthrie woman was kidnaped. She is probably dead or injured. If God did exist, he would have prevented this. It would not have happened. If you disagree, then explain and defend your position.
GW1: The Bible cannot prove itself. The Bible authors are dead and not here to present, explain, or defend their views, and most of their views are irrational and false. It is time that you start to think for yourself rather than relying on ancient men for your opinions.
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