Promoting the “God-man” Is “Antichrist”
Trinitarianism asserts that Jesus Christ is a “God-man”. However, promoting this “God-man” is actually “antichrist”. How so? Notice:
“God-man (Koinē Greek: θεάνθρωπος, romanized: theánthropos; Latin: deus homo is a term which refers to the incarnation and the hypostatic union of Christ, which are two of mainstream Christianity‘s most widely accepted and revered christological doctrines. The first usage of the term “God-man” as a theological concept appears in the writing of the 3rd-century Church Father Origen:]’This substance of a soul, then, being intermediate between God and the flesh – it being impossible for the nature of God to intermingle with a body without an intermediate instrument – the God-man is born.'”— Wikipedia
The Christian apostle John, late in the 1st century, was inspired by God (2 Timothy 3:16) to warn that anyone who teaches that Jesus Christ came to earth as anything other than 100% “fully human in every way” (Hebrews 2:17 NIV) human being, is not only teaching a false doctrine, spreading “the spirit of the antichrist”, but is actually “an antichrist” himself. This is exactly what Trinitarians do with their “God-man”, that is, their Jesus whose body is an “an intermediate instrument.” This scripture-defying monstrosity is diametrically opposed by the apostle John’s inspired words:
“Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming; and now it is already in the world”—1 John 4:2,3 NASB
“Every spirit” here obviously is talking about any and all people who deny Jesus, so “many” are included here as being “antichrists.” (1 John 2:18) John here also refers to “the spirit of the antichrist,” which may refer to all individual antichrists as one collective, or composite, “antichrist.” They deny “that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.” Trinitarians do this with their “fully God, fully man” “God-man” dogma.
“Many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. The is a deceiver and an antichrist”—2 John 7 NKJV
Notice that the scripture says, each one of the “many deceivers” is “an antichrist.” Or, in other words, “Any such person is . . . the antichrist” (2 John 7 NIV). Clearly, this points to many different people all throughout the centuries as being “an antichrist,” or “the antichrist.” Denial of Jesus as the Christ, and as the Son of God, of necessity, includes denial of any or all of the scriptural “teaching” (John 8:31; 14:23; 2 John 9,10) by, or about, Jesus. These would be things like his “origin” (Micah 5:2 NRSV; NAB; CSB), his position “at the right hand of God” (Acts 2:33; 7:56; Romans 8:34; Colossians 3:1; Hebrews 1:3; 10:12), his fulfillment of hundreds of Old Testament prophecies as God’s Messiah (Luke 24:44), his positions as God’s “High Priest” (Hebrews 4:14 NLT; NKJV) and “King” (Matthew 25:34,40 NKJV; NLT).
In no way is Jesus Christ “fully God”. That would be impossible, because he said, “God sent me” (John 8:42 NIV), and “I came from God” (John 16:27 NAB). In this article, we’ve seen how the scriptures prove that anyone promoting the Trinitarian “God-man” is “antichrist”.
For more information about this subject, please see:
https://bibleauthenticity.com/was-jesus-incarn…th-a-dual-nature
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Who was Jesus? Jesus of Nazareth was a real man who lived for approximately 30 years in ancient Palestine in the early first century CE. He was an itinerant Jewish rabbi who spoke new ideas, especially regarding forgiveness, passive resistance, and apocalypse, which were attractive to many people but also controversial. He was crucified by the Romans and probably died as a result. It was alleged that God brought him back to life, and this belief is one cornerstone of the Christian religion. There is no good evidence that he was divine or had supernatural powers.
Who is God? God is a hypothetical supernatural person, now proven to not exist.
Regarding the nature of Jesus, there are three different false beliefs about him. One is that he was God and took on a human body for roughly 30 years. The other is that he was a divine person, not God, who took on a human body for roughly 30 years. And the third is that he was a human person to whom God assigned or delegated both supernatural authority and powers. Of course, all these ideas are wrong.
The idea that Jesus was the Anti-Christ is totally ridiculous!
Go back and re-read the article.
It doesn’t say that Jesus was an antichrist.
Notice the final sentence:
” In this article, we’ve seen how the scriptures prove that anyone promoting the Trinitarian “God-man” is “antichrist”.”
Belief in the antichrist is just a superstition, but more importantly, God does not exist. I have many proofs of this, and you have found no errors in them.
“Children, it is the last hour, and as you have heard that antichrist is coming, so now many antichrists have come”—1 John 2:18 ESV
Under inspiration, the apostle John said, “many antichrists have come,” past tense, so John is not restricting the definition, the appearance, the existence, and the activity, of “antichrist” to some future dynamic individual, Many people, not just one person, today, and throughout history, deny, and have denied, both the Father and the Son. So “antichrist” is not, and cannot be, just one person. Thus, the Biblical application of the term “antichrist” is quite broad.
“Who is the liar? Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies that Jesus is the Christ. Whoever denies the Father and the Son, this is the antichrist”—1 John 2:22 NAB
“Who is a liar? Anyone who says that Jesus is not the Christ. Anyone who denies the Father and the Son is an antichrist”—1 John 2:22 NLT
One definition of “antichrist” is given the verse above, “Anyone who denies the Father and the Son.” This would include denying the Biblically described, or defined, relationship between the Father and the Son. These individuals, groups, or organizations deny “that Jesus is the Christ,” and deny that Jesus is “the Son” of God.
“Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God; and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming; and now it is already in the world”—1 John 4:2,3 NASB
“Every spirit” here obviously is talking about any and all people who deny Jesus, so “many” are included here as being “antichrists.” John here also refers to “the spirit of the antichrist,” which may refer to all individual antichrists as one collective, or composite, “antichrist.” They deny “that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh.”
Fascinating that Gary Whittenberger, Ph.D. transits and comments on these topics so vociferously. Hey Gary, I thought you were an atheist? Allow me. Indulge me for a few minutes. I grew up with a Ph.D. father just like you. In fact he was better at explaining why there was no G-d than you. His IQ was higher than yours. In fact, so was my mom’s IQ. Of that I am certain.
How can “G-d wants YOU to be …” as you say in the title of your Godless tome, if He does not exist? I get it, you are poking fun at people who believe in G-d.
Hey Gary, G-d will not be mocked. A man shall reap what he sows.
The only thing ‘STARTLING’ will be the look on your newly-believing face when you receive your just punishment, immediately before you are cast into a lake of fire for eternal damnation.
Queue your smirk.
Now I hope you avoid such a fate as this. But smarter people than you have fallen prey to the lie that there is no G-d. And they are destined for Hell. Their fate is sealed. They await the judgement to come Gary.
You know I take comfort in the promises of YHWH. It reminds me of what is to come and what awaits unbelieving people like yourself.
This is a hard teaching. The ‘soft’ Gentile Christians don’t like to wield it so much anymore, not like they used to do. And that is a shame.
I am reminded of what Yeshua said, “When the Son of Man returns, will he find faith on the earth?” Too many Gentiles don’t even know what faith actually is. Most never learned Hebrew.
But a few of us have found ‘the gate’ and entered through it, because ‘the Gatekeeper’ is faithful, just as was written.
Gary, first remember that G-d does not want anyone to perish, including you. But alas, perish people of your ilk shall, and then suffer the SECOND DEATH.
Psalm 91:8 “You (WE – the ONES who LOVE G-d) will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.”
Psalm 92:11 “… will see the downfall of my enemies.”
Isaiah 66:24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”
Finally, one of my favorite bits of scripture can be found in Revelation, which informs me that I get to shout one big HALLELUYAH! due to the true and just judgement of G-d, as the smoke from the eternal fire consuming the wicked rises up for ever and ever.
All of us will shout this Gary – not you though. All of us that love G-d will rejoice in this. Oh, you will be shouting as well and for certain, just not for joy.
And to a Gentile reading that, if this reality sounds crass or sick to you, well then you may not actually be a Follower of the Way. Just saying.
Yeah Gary, I know, you don’t believe any of this. It was written by Hebrews (like me) who kept getting lost in the desert and having to defeat foes in order to steal land that was not ours to begin with. Yep, you are smirking again (G-d knows your thoughts Gary).
But where are you going to go, Gary?
And when?
You refer to yourself as a ‘freelance’ journalist. So, perhaps you are reading this because you either need more ideas for your next underwhelming book, newspaper interview, YouTube video, etc. or because of some deeper sense of emptiness in your own vapid philosophy.
Hey Gary, did it ever occur to you that there can’t be ‘atheism’ without ‘theism.’
I am not (always) the nice, kind, gentle Christian you have come to belittle, abuse and poke fun at. Nope, I am sometimes not that guy. But I am frequently the guy people such as yourself come to hate for telling the Truth, and hate so badly that a few desire me to cease to exist. That is who I am Gary, because that is who Yeshua said I should be. Hello litmus test … “If you love me the world will hate you.” Would that there were more Followers of the Way like this.
People in your philosophical camp just martyred one. His name was Charlie.
Hear now G-d’s message for Gary Whittenberger on the day known to us who love Him as Yom Teruah (the Feast of Trumpets):
G-d does not need Gary’s permission to exist.
Blow the Shofar!
G-d does not require Gary’s acknowledgment to reign supreme in the Heavens.
Blow the Shofar!!
G-d does not seek Gary’s approval for who He was, who He is, or who He will be.
Blow the Shofar!!!
But G-d did send a way out of the insanity of your false beliefs.
Here is the GOOD NEWS:
G-d the FATHER sent His obedient and only begotten Son, Yeshua the Anointed One, The Messiah, the Only Son of the Living G-d to be a propitiation for your sins.
But you have ignored this message and summarily dismissed it with your flawed logic.
So here is the ‘bad news’ for you, and for every other person that thinks like you do.
This is not so easy to ardently dismiss or attack.
Proverbs 8:13 “To fear the Lord is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech”.
Proverbs 9:10 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.”
Matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
Acts 17:30 “In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.”
Hey Gary, it is time for you to stop living in the past, and repent.
Before it is too late.
See, I have gone after the one, leaving the other 99.
JWS: Fascinating that Gary Whittenberger, Ph.D. transits and comments on these topics so vociferously.
GW: Yes, it is wonderful!
JWS: Hey Gary, I thought you were an atheist?
GW: I am a gnostic atheist and progressive secular humanist. What are you?
JWS: Allow me. Indulge me for a few minutes. I grew up with a Ph.D. father just like you. In fact he was better at explaining why there was no G-d than you.
GW: Probably not.
JWS: His IQ was higher than yours. In fact, so was my mom’s IQ. Of that I am certain.
GW: I don’t know how you could be certain of this. I am skeptical of your claim. But IQ is not the most important factor in these discussions anyway.
JWS: How can “G-d wants YOU to be …” as you say in the title of your Godless tome, if He does not exist? I get it, you are poking fun at people who believe in G-d.
JWS: Hey Gary, G-d will not be mocked. A man shall reap what he sows.
GW: God does not exist, and I am not mocking him. But I’m mocking you for fearing to spell his name correctly. Are you going to be struck by lightning if you say or print “GOD”? Some people are so superstitious.
JWS: The only thing ‘STARTLING’ will be the look on your newly-believing face when you receive your just punishment, immediately before you are cast into a lake of fire for eternal damnation.
GW: Pure nonsense. God, a lake of fire, and eternal damnation do not exist. Period.
JWS: Queue your smirk.
GW: I’m not smirking. I’m just telling you the truth, and you don’t like it.
JWS: Now I hope you avoid such a fate as this.
GW: Nobody has that fate. If God did exist, he would NEVER create Hell or send anybody to eternal torment. Duh. That would be immoral.
JWS: But smarter people than you have fallen prey to the lie that there is no G-d. And they are destined for Hell. Their fate is sealed. They await the judgement to come Gary.
GW: You must be worshiping a deity other than God. He would not do what you claim, if he did exist.
JWS: You know I take comfort in the promises of YHWH. It reminds me of what is to come and what awaits unbelieving people like yourself.
GW: Yes, you take comfort in falsehoods.
JWS: This is a hard teaching. The ‘soft’ Gentile Christians don’t like to wield it so much anymore, not like they used to do. And that is a shame.
GW: The hard teaching is that God does not exist. I have the proofs!
JWS: I am reminded of what Yeshua said, “When the Son of Man returns, will he find faith on the earth?” Too many Gentiles don’t even know what faith actually is. Most never learned Hebrew.
GW: Learning Hebrew in unnecessary. We have scholars who translate the Hebrew to English. Duh. Besides, if God did exist, he would not use offspring, messengers, representatives, or delegates. He would just do his own work. Duh. I think you worship another deity besides God.
JWS: But a few of us have found ‘the gate’ and entered through it, because ‘the Gatekeeper’ is faithful, just as was written.
GW: What gate? You are going to die like the rest of us. When your brain dies, you will no longer exist. Do you mean the Gate to Nonexistence?
JWS: Gary, first remember that G-d does not want anyone to perish, including you. But alas, perish people of your ilk shall, and then suffer the SECOND DEATH.
GW: You are speaking pure nonsense. If God did exist, he would not want anyone to perish and he would achieve his want; he would acheive that goal. He would ensure that nobody perishes. Duh. You don’t know much about God, do you? You are not thinking rationally about God. You are just regurgitating what you were taught. Learn to think critically.
JWS: Psalm 91:8 “You (WE – the ONES who LOVE G-d) will only observe with your eyes and see the punishment of the wicked.”
GW: If God did exist, he would punish those who break his moral code, but it would not be by unending torture. That would be immoral. Don’t you know that if God did exist, he would be perfectly moral? You aren’t thinking clearly or rationally.
JWS: Psalm 92:11 “… will see the downfall of my enemies.”
GW: See above. People who behave badly would not necessarily be enemies of God, if he did exist.
JWS: Isaiah 66:24 “And they will go out and look on the dead bodies of those who rebelled against me; the worms that eat them will not die, the fire that burns them will not be quenched, and they will be loathsome to all mankind.”
GW: You just don’t understand God, the concept of God.
JWS: Finally, one of my favorite bits of scripture can be found in Revelation, which informs me that I get to shout one big HALLELUYAH! due to the true and just judgement of G-d, as the smoke from the eternal fire consuming the wicked rises up for ever and ever.
GW: The author of Revelation doesn’t know the truth. He spreads disinformation and misinformation.
JWS: All of us will shout this Gary – not you though. All of us that love G-d will rejoice in this. Oh, you will be shouting as well and for certain, just not for joy.
GW: I would love God, if he did exist, but sadly, he doesn’t. Get over it.
JWS: And to a Gentile reading that, if this reality sounds crass or sick to you, well then you may not actually be a Follower of the Way. Just saying.
GW: If God did exist, the Way of God would be the way of truth, reason, and goodness, not the claptrap you are espousing. God would never torture anyone for eternity. What’s wrong with you?
JWS: Yeah Gary, I know, you don’t believe any of this. It was written by Hebrews (like me) who kept getting lost in the desert and having to defeat foes in order to steal land that was not ours to begin with. Yep, you are smirking again (G-d knows your thoughts Gary).
GW: You aren’t very good at guessing peoples’ emotions.
JWS: But where are you going to go, Gary? And when?
GW: I’m going to go the same place you are going to go. Duh. To nonexistence! When? We do not know. From the statistical tables, I estimate that I will die within the next 11 years. How old are you? I’ll give you an estimate, if you want.
JWS: You refer to yourself as a ‘freelance’ journalist. So, perhaps you are reading this because you either need more ideas for your next underwhelming book, newspaper interview, YouTube video, etc. or because of some deeper sense of emptiness in your own vapid philosophy.
GW: Nope. I am just interested in learning and spreading the truth.
JWS: Hey Gary, did it ever occur to you that there can’t be ‘atheism’ without ‘theism.’
GW: I agree with that. An atheist is a person who does not believe in any deities, and this assumes that there are other people who do believe in deities. So what?
JWS: I am not (always) the nice, kind, gentle Christian you have come to belittle, abuse and poke fun at. Nope, I am sometimes not that guy. But I am frequently the guy people such as yourself come to hate for telling the Truth, and hate so badly that a few desire me to cease to exist. That is who I am Gary, because that is who Yeshua said I should be. Hello litmus test … “If you love me the world will hate you.” Would that there were more Followers of the Way like this.
GW: I don’t hate you. I just disagree with you. I know you are mistaken. We now know and have proven that God does not exist. The gig is up.
JWS: People in your philosophical camp just martyred one. His name was Charlie.
GW: The murderer was not in my camp. We abhor violence in our camp.
JWS: Hear now G-d’s message for Gary Whittenberger on the day known to us who love Him as Yom Teruah (the Feast of Trumpets):
GW: There is no message from God since he does not exist. I have the proofs. I’ll give you a homework assignment: How would God communicate with human beings, if he did exist? How would an all-knowing, all-powerful, perfectly moral deity communicate with us? Ponder that and get back to me.
JWS: G-d does not need Gary’s permission to exist.
GW: God does not exist, regardless of anybody’s permission.
JWS: Blow the Shofar!
GW: I played cornet in the high school band. Does that count? Ha.
JWS: G-d does not require Gary’s acknowledgment to reign supreme in the Heavens.
GW: God does not exist, regardless of your wishes. If he did exist, of course he would reign supreme. Duh.
JWS: G-d does not seek Gary’s approval for who He was, who He is, or who He will be.
GW: God does not exist, regardless of your wishes, desires, hopes, or approval.
JWS: But G-d did send a way out of the insanity of your false beliefs.
GW: If God did exist, he would want us all to be atheists, given the lack of evidence or proof of his existence that we face right now.
JWS: Here is the GOOD NEWS:
GW: Here is the GOOD NEWS: God does not exist and we can live quite well without him and without belief in him.
JWS: G-d the FATHER sent His obedient and only begotten Son, Yeshua the Anointed One, The Messiah, the Only Son of the Living G-d to be a propitiation for your sins.
GW: This is pure nonsense! If God did exist, he would not use offspring or delegates or intermediaries. He would do his own work. Also, God would never ever implement any system of atonement. That is a primitive idea. Instead, God would implement perfect justice, a system in which everyone paid for their own wrongdoing and only theirs.
JWS: But you have ignored this message and summarily dismissed it with your flawed logic.
GW: I have not ignored it at all. I have paid full attention to it. I have just judged that you are almost totally wrong. Instead of using Reason, you use Faith, and this is why you make so many mistakes in your conclusions.
JWS: So here is the ‘bad news’ for you, and for every other person that thinks like you do. This is not so easy to ardently dismiss or attack.
JWS: Proverbs 8:13 “To fear the Lord is to hate evil; I hate pride and arrogance, evil behavior and perverse speech”.
GW: There is no God to fear. He doesn’t exist! I have the proofs.
JWS: Proverbs 9:10 “The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom.”
GW: No, it’s not. God does not exist. We have the proofs! Wisdom comes from the application of Reason to life experiences.
JWS: Matthew 25:46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
GW: Malarkey! If God did exist, he would implement neither eternal punishment nor eternal reward. That would be immoral, and instead God would be perfectly moral.
JWS: Acts 17:30 “In the past God overlooked such ignorance, but now he commands all people everywhere to repent.”
GW: If God did exist, repentance would be useless. He would implement perfect justice, and his responses would not depend on repentance, apologies, promises, or begging for mercy. God would present a fair, proportional, reliable, and prompt punishment for every wrong doing. You guys who believe in forgiveness just don’t want to face up to your deserved punishment.
JWS: Hey Gary, it is time for you to stop living in the past, and repent. Before it is too late. See, I have gone after the one, leaving the other 99.
GW: Nope. I totally reject your falsehoods, delusions, superstitions, or lies. We now know and have proven that God does not exist. So, your whole Christianity has fallen like a fragile house of cards. Sorry.
GW: And your concept of God is severely distorted. You don’t know what you are talking about. You are way off the mark.
GW: If you reply, please don’t be so verbose. Focus on a few points and be succinct.
GW: If you reply, please don’t be so verbose. Focus on a few points and be succinct.
BA—Please follow your own advice here, “don’t be so verbose. Focus on a few points and be succinct”, and don’t promote your book, articles, etc., on this site
I always reply in length in proportion to the other’s comment. Always. If people post succinctly, I reply succinctly. If people post verbosely, then I reply verbosely. Whatever it takes.
It’s hypocritical to ask someone not to “be so verbose”, when you’re verbose yourself. If you don’t want others to be verbose, don’t be verbose yourself.
It’s OK say you don’t believe God exists, etc., but long atheistic dissertations are not allowed on this site.
But I am not verbose, so I am not being hypocritical. What does it mean to be verbose? It means to use too many words to express a point. The writer I asked to be less verbose was using too many words to express his point. In reply to him I used the right amount of words to refute his point. So, your claims that I was being verbose and hypocritcal are refuted.
To my knowledge, there has not been a word limit set by the moderator of this forum. And if there were, you would not be the one to set that limit. Mrs. Biblia
All right, listen closely.
The Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
And I’m not the only one saying that.
Scripture is saying that.
Let’s start in Malachi, chapter three, verse one.
Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me.
Who’s speaking?
God is speaking.
God himself is speaking.
Then you turn to the Gospels.
Look at Mark, for example.
We see that John the Baptist, in chapter one, verses two through four, is that messenger.
But who is he preparing the way for?
Jesus.
So who is Jesus?
The one whose way is being prepared for God.
Now look at Isaiah, chapter 6, verse 1.
I saw the Lord sitting on a throne high and lifted up.
That’s God.
But then in John 12:41, after quoting Isaiah, John says, Isaiah said these things because he saw Jesus’s glory and spoke of him.
Wait.
Isaiah saw God’s glory, and John says he saw Jesus’s glory.
Same glory, same person.
Revelation 22:13, Jesus says, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
That’s the exact same thing God says in Isaiah 44, 6.
I am the first and I am the last.
Besides me, there is no God.
Revelation, chapter one, verse 17 and 18, Jesus says again, I am the first and the last.
Same eternal title, because they are one.
In Mark, chapter two, Jesus forgives a man sins.
The scribes freak out.
Who can forgive sins but God alone.
Exactly.
Jesus doesn’t deny it.
Only God can forgive sins.
And Jesus does it right in front of them.
Jude 1:5 says, Jesus saved a people out of the land of Egypt.
Wait, wait.
Jesus led the Exodus.
Exodus says God did.
So either Scripture is confused or Jesus is God.
In Psalm 23:1, the Lord is my shepherd.
That’s God.
In John 10:11, I am the good shepherd.
Same role, same care.
Same identity.
In Joel 2:32, it says, Everyone who calls on the name of God will be saved.
And Romans 10 applies it directly to Jesus.
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, you’ll do what?
You will be saved.
For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
In Isaiah 45:23, God says to me, every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
In Philippians, chapter 2, verses 10 and 11, it says that one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
The worship.
That’s due to God is given to Jesus.
In Hebrews chapter 1, verses 8 through 10, the Father says of the Son, your throne, O God, is forever and ever.
And he also says, you, Lord, laid the foundation of the earth in the beginning.
So the Son is called God and Creator by the Father, both of which are titles of God.
And don’t forget, right at the start of Hebrews chapter one, it says that he speaking of Jesus is the radiance of the glory of God and the exact imprint of his nature.
Not a copy, not a reflection.
The exact imprint we see in John chapter 1, verses 1 through 3.
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.
And the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made.
Jesus was not created.
He’s the Creator.
All things were made through Him.
And it continues saying, and nothing that was made was made without him.
Then In John chapter 1, verse 11, it says, he came to his own and his own did not receive him.
His own isn’t just Israel, it’s creation itself.
He made it, he entered it and it rejected him.
In John chapter 1, verse 18, it says no one has ever seen God, the only God who is at the Father’s side.
He has made him known.
Because Jesus has always been the visible image of the invisible God.
That’s why Isaiah could say he saw God and it was Jesus.
That’s why Jesus can claim the titles of God.
That’s why he forgives sins, receives worships, speaks as the I am and leads like the Shepherd.
He didn’t start in Bethlehem.
He is the beginning, he is the end.
He is the I am, the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last God in the flesh.
God bless and go in peace.
As Jesus Himself said, if you do not believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins. In other words, it was God’s own precious blood being shed on that cross. God didn’t just say He’d rather die than live without you. He proved it. He did it. It was no normal human blood on that cross. If you continue to say Jesus is not God with ALL THIS EVIDENCE, die a heretic and go to hell then. For believing Jesus is God is THE MAIN POINT OF SCRIPTURE! The New Testament says that God the Father calls the Son God, Lord, and Creator in Hebrews 1:8-10 KJV, which agrees with John 1 and ALL these above verses. Jesus IS God of the Old Testament. Isaiah 9:6-7 says:
“6 For unto us a child is born, and unto us a Son is given: and the government is upon his shoulder, and he shall call his name, Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting [j]Father, The prince of peace.
7 The increase of his government and peace shall have none end: he shall sit upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to stablish it with judgment, and with justice, from henceforth, even forever: [k]the zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this.”.
All right, listen closely.
The Lord Jesus Christ is God in the flesh.
BA–Not according to the scriptures.
Jesus referred to “my God”, who is ‘his Father’ (John 20:17; Revelation 1:5-6).
Other scriptures refer to “his God”, who is ”the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Hebrews 1:9; 2 Corinthians 1:3-4; Colossians 1:3-4).
And I’m not the only one saying that.
Scripture is saying that.
Let’s start in Malachi, chapter three, verse one.
Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me.
Who’s speaking?
God is speaking.
God himself is speaking.
Then you turn to the Gospels.
Look at Mark, for example.
We see that John the Baptist, in chapter one, verses two through four, is that messenger.
But who is he preparing the way for?
Jesus.
So who is Jesus?
The one whose way is being prepared for God.
BA— “‘Behold, I am going to send My messenger, and he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to His temple; and the messenger of the covenant, in whom you delight, behold, He is coming’, says Yahweh of hosts” (Malachi 3:1 LSB). It is sometimes claimed that “the Lord” here is Jesus, who is supposed to be “God in the flesh”, but such claims contradict the scriptures. The scripture clearly says that Yahweh God is the speaker. The ‘messenger preparing the way’ for, “Jesus Christ, the Son of God”, is identified in Mark 1:1-4 as “John the Baptist”. ”
The Lord, whom you seek” is identified at Malachi 2:16 as “Yahweh, the God of Israel”. How can we be so sure? He is foretold to “suddenly come to His temple”. Jesus concurred with this description, that the temple belonged to his Father, by referring to “my Father’s house” (Luke 2:49; John 2:16). Further identification that the temple referred to belongs to the Father is made at Hebrews 3:6, “Christ was faithful as a son placed over his house” (NAB).
“The messenger of the covenant” is Jesus Christ, who said, “This cup is the new covenant established by My blood; it is shed for you” (Luke 22:20 HCSB), and is identified as “the mediator of a new covenant” (Hebrews 9:15).
How did John the Baptist “make ready the way of Yahweh” (Mark 1:3 LSB margin)? Does that mean Jesus is Yahweh God? No, because Jesus said, “I have come in My Father’s name”, and, “He who sent Me is with Me; He has not left Me alone, for I always do the things pleasing to him”, and, “I am not alone, because the Father is with me” (John 5:43; 8:29; 16:32 LSB).
Now look at Isaiah, chapter 6, verse 1.
I saw the Lord sitting on a throne high and lifted up.
That’s God.
But then in John 12:41, after quoting Isaiah, John says, Isaiah said these things because he saw Jesus’s glory and spoke of him.
Wait.
Isaiah saw God’s glory, and John says he saw Jesus’s glory.
Same glory, same person.
BA—Your claim is false because JOHN DID NOT QUOTE FROM ISAIAH 6:1!!!!!
John 12:37-41 – “Though He had done so many signs before them, they still were not believing in Him, so that the word of Isaiah the prophet might be fulfilled, which he spoke: ‘Lord, who has believed our report? And to whom has the arm of Yahweh been revealed?’ For this reason they could not believe, fo Isaiah said again, ‘He has blinded their eyes and He has hardened their heart, lest they see with their eyes and understand with their heart, and return and I heal them’. These things Isaiah said because he saw His glory and spoke about Him” (LSB margin). The Lord Yahweh, according to Isaiah, has blinded their eyes and hardened their hearts … they cannot turn to me and have me heal them. – This shows that Yahweh God, Father is in ultimate control. Those who claim “Jesus is God” imagine. that, because John’s second quote here is from Isaiah 6:9,10, that his reference to Isaiah seeing Jesus’ glory refers to Isaiah 6:1-5. This is where Isaiah is shown a vision of “the King, Yahweh of hosts” (Isaiah 6:5 LSB), and the “Jesus is God” claimants imagine that this means that Jesus is Yahweh. However, that is not the case! Jesus is not “Yahweh of hosts”. Isaiah 6:9,10 refers to the reasons people did not believe in Jesus. Notice that John 12:41 says, “These things Isaiah said.” John did not quote Isaiah 6:9,10 only. The “Jesus is God” claimants imagine that John has quoted Isaiah 6:1-5 right into the text here. However, John did not quote Isaiah 6:1-5! The other scripture John quoted isIsaiah 53:1, which they blindly ignore. The glory of Jesus, the Messiah, that Isaiah saw, comes from his first quote of Isaiah 53:1, which is from the Suffering Servant Song predictions of Isaiah 52:13-53:12. Both of these quotes John uses here are from the Greek Septuagint (LXX) version, which the early church commonly used, and the New Testament writers often quoted from. This Suffering Servant Song section is introduced by: “See, my servant shall understand, and he shall be exalted and glorified exceedingly be astonished at you–so shall your appearance be without glory from men” (Isaiah 52:13,14 LXX NETS). “Yahweh of hosts” (Isaiah 6:5 LSB) “exalted and glorified exceedingly” the one he called “my servant”, who is Jesus, the Messiah, but his “appearance” was “without glory from men”. This prediction over 700 years in advance matches the fulfillment that John recorded, but it does not identify Jesus as Yahweh, as is so often asserted.
That Jesus was not who Isaiah saw in Isaiah 6, is confirmed by Acts 28:25-27, “well did the holy Spirit speak to your ancestors through the prophet Isaiah, saying: ‘Go to this people and say: You shall indeed hear but not understand, You shall indeed hear but not understand . . . ‘” (NAB). God the Father uses the holy spirit to speak for him, as we can see from,”I heard the voice of the Lord saying . . . ” (Isaiah 6:8 NAB), combined with, “well did the holy Spirit speak to your ancestors” (Acts 28:25 NAB). “The holy Spirit” is not Jesus, and Jesus is not “the holy Spirit”, even Trinitarians admit. The scriptures that follow below from John 12 indicate that Jesus, like Isaiah, was called and sent by God the Father to speak for him. For example, “I don’t speak on my own authority. The Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it” (John 12:49 NLT). However, “the Lord” who is the speaker in Isaiah 6:8, is obviously “Yahweh of hosts”.
Revelation 22:13, Jesus says, I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
That’s the exact same thing God says in Isaiah 44, 6.
I am the first and I am the last.
Besides me, there is no God.
Revelation, chapter one, verse 17 and 18, Jesus says again, I am the first and the last.
Same eternal title, because they are one.
BA—Not true, according to the scriptures.
“Who has worked and done it, Calling forth the generations from the beginning? I, Yahweh, am the first; and with the last, ‘I am He'” (Isaiah 41:4 LSB). “Thus says Yahweh, Israel’s king, Yahweh Sabaoth, his redeemer: I am the first and I am the last, there is no God except me” (Isaiah 44:6 NJB).”Listen to me, Jacob, Israel, whom I called! I, it is I who am the first, and I am the last” (Isaiah 48:12 NAB). The title “the first and the last” is used five times in the Bible — twice in Isaiah, and once in Revelation, of Yahweh God (Revelation 22:13), and twice in Revelation of Jesus (Revelation 1:17; 2:8). “Jesus is God” claimants assert that because both Almighty God Yahweh in Isaiah, and both Jesus and Almighty God in Revelation are called “the first and the last” that Jesus is somehow Yahweh God (Revelation 1:17; 2:8; 22:13).
Jesus is very much like his Father, but Jesus’ title of “the first and the last” does not mean exactly the same thing for him that the title does for his Father, nor does it mean that Jesus is Almighty, or is Yahweh, or is equal to his Father, as Trinitarians try to assert. The key to understanding this is Yahweh says he has called all the generations of humans to life, that is, given them life, all the way from the first to the last of them. God the Father “has given him [Jesus] authority” to resurrect all “the dead in Christ” from the first to the last of them (John 5:25-27; 1 Thessalonians 4:13-17). “Just as the Father raises the dead and gives life, so also does the Son give life to whomever he wishes” (John 5:21 NAB).
In what sense, then, is Jesus “the first and the last”? Jesus is “the firstborn from the dead” (Colossians 1:18 ESV), because he was the first one to be resurrected to heaven, where he is “alive forevermore” (Revelation 1:18). Jesus was given the authority after his resurrection from the dead by Yahweh God the Father to ‘raise the generations to life’, and, thus, only after his resurrection is he called “the first and the last”. “Everyone who looks on the Son and believes in him should have eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day” (John 6:40 ESV). Jesus resurrects everyone else from then on, from ‘the first to the last’. Since “God has resurrected this Jesus” (Acts 2:32 HCSB), he was the last one to be resurrected directly by Yahweh God. But, even when Jesus said he had the power to resurrect the dead, he never claimed to be God. Jesus was very clear about who has the ultimate authority. “The Son can do nothing by himself.” “The Father . . . has entrusted all judgment to the Son” (John 5:19,22 NIV).
In Isaiah 44:6 and 44:8 Yahweh’s oneness by virtue of being the exclusively unique Almighty God is emphasized. “I, Yahweh, am the maker of all things, stretching out the heavens by Myself, And spreading out the earth all alone” (Isaiah 44:24 LSB). Isaiah highlights the fact that “Yahweh GOD, THE ALMIGHTY . . . created all things” (Revelation 4:8,11 LSB margin).
Also, because Yahweh is “redeemer” and the New Testament says that “Christ redeemed us” (Galatians 3:13 NIV), “Jesus is God” adherents claim that Jesus Christ is Yahweh. However, they overlook that fact that “God sent his Son . . . to redeem” (Galatians 4:5 NIV), which shows that God redeems through Jesus. Additionally, both Jesus and his Father are called “Savior” in Titus 3:4,6. Men are also called “savior(s)” in Judges 3:9,15; 2 Kings 13:5; Nehemiah 9:27 (LSB; NAB); and Obadiah 21 (LSB; NKJV). Jesus is called “king of kings” at Revelation 17:14; 19:16, and so is Artaxerxes at Ezra 7:12, and Nebuchadnezzar at Daniel 2:37.
The fact that since various individuals can have the same title (Ezra 7:12; Daniel 2:37; 1 Timothy 6:15; Revelation 17:14; 19:16), and yet not be the same person, is strong evidence that the title “the first and the last” does not mean Jesus Christ is Almighty God.
In Mark, chapter two, Jesus forgives a man sins.
The scribes freak out.
Who can forgive sins but God alone.
Exactly.
Jesus doesn’t deny it.
Only God can forgive sins.
And Jesus does it right in front of them.
BA—Jesus did refute that false claim. Jesus’ enemies asserted such a thing. The scriptures refute that false claim.
Mark 2:5-7 – “When Jesus saw their faith, he saw to the paralytic, ‘Child, your sins are forgiven.’ Now some of the scribes were sitting there asking themselves, ‘ Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming. Who but God alone can forgive sins?” (NAB). Does this assertion made by Jesus’ enemies, that, ‘only God can forgive sins’, mean that Jesus is God, as “Jesus is God” adherents claim? Notice next — Jesus’ favorite title that he uses to describe himself:
Mark 2:10 – “The Son of Man has authority to forgive sins on earth” (NAB). – “The Son of Man” cannot be God, since “God is not a human being” (Numbers 23:19 NAB), whereas “the Word [Jesus] became flesh” (John 1:14). When Jesus was born on earth, he was “fully human in every way” (Hebrews 2:17 NIV), so he could not be God. The ‘authority to forgive sins’ had been bestowed on Jesus as God’s “representative” (John 5:43 Williams New Testament), obviously. God doesn’t need anyone’s authority to do anything. “He does whatever he pleases” (Job 23:13 NIV). Regarding Jesus’ authority, Matthew 9:8 says, “The crowd . . . praised God for sending a man with such great authority” (NLT 2013 edition). Jesus admitted, “I have not spoken on my own authority, but the Father who sent me has himself given me commandment – what to say and what to speak” (John 12:49 NLT). Jesus said, “God sent me” (John 8:42 NIV), so he could not be God.
Jude 1:5 says, Jesus saved a people out of the land of Egypt.
Wait, wait.
Jesus led the Exodus.
Exodus says God did.
So either Scripture is confused or Jesus is God.
BA–Jude 5 – “I want to remind you … the Lord first of all saved a people out of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 1:5 HCSB). Some translations render “Jesus” in place of “the Lord”, making it appear that Jesus is God. However, a number of reputable translations, for good reasons, instead, render the verse with “the Lord”, such as the NIV; KJV; NKJV; NASB; HCSB; ISV; Weymouth; YLT; NAB and RSV. This is in harmony with both the local and remote contexts. In Jude, “Jesus” is never used by the name alone. It is “Jesus Christ” (v 3); “Master and Lord, Jesus Christ” (v 4); “our Lord Jesus Christ” (v 17,21); “Jesus Christ our Lord” (v 25). The Exodus account of that deliverance reports that, “Yahweh brought the sons of Israel out of the land of Egypt” (Exodus 12:51 LSB). Jesus himself made clear that he is not Yahweh (Matthew 22:41-44). “The Lord” in Jude 5 is Yahweh God the Father, not his Son, Jesus Christ.
In Psalm 23:1, the Lord is my shepherd.
That’s God.
In John 10:11, I am the good shepherd.
Same role, same care.
Same identity.
BA—Not according to the scriptures.
Psalm 23:1 – “Yahweh is my shepherd” (LSB). Yahweh God is the ultimate shepherd. “Jesus is God” adherents, however, claim that since Jesus said, “I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep” (John 10:11 LSB), Jesus is Yahweh God. However, they blindly overlook the fact that, later in John 10, Jesus said, “My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all” (John 10:29 LSB). This means that Jesus not only can’t be Yahweh God, he’s not even equal to Yahweh God, as Trinitarians claim.
In Joel 2:32, it says, Everyone who calls on the name of God will be saved.
And Romans 10 applies it directly to Jesus.
If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, you’ll do what?
You will be saved.
For everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.
BA—Yes, but that doesn’t make Jesus Yahweh!
“Everyone who calls on the name of Yahweh Will be delivered” (Joel 2:32 LSB). This is quoted in the New Testament twice. “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Acts 2:21 NAB). “Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved” (Romans 10:13 NAB). The speaker in Joel 2:28-32 identifies himself as, “I am Yahweh your God” (Joel 2:27 LSB). Since Acts 2:21 and Romans 10:13 apply “the Lord” to Jesus, it is often asserted that Jesus is Yahweh. However, Joel 2:28-32 foretells the pouring out of the holy Spirit. The scriptures make clear that “Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God” (John 20:31). Jesus himself made clear that the promise at Joel 2:28-32 was made by the Father. “I am sending the promise of my Father upon you; but stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high” (Luke 24:49 NAB). “While meeting with them, he enjoined them not to depart from Jerusalem, but to wait for ‘the promise of the Father about which you you have heard me speak . . . in a few days you will be baptized with the holy Spirit'” (Acts 1:4-5 NAB). This testimony of the Lord Jesus Christ himself makes clear that Yahweh God is the Father. The scriptures are also clear that the Father isn’ the Son, nor is the Son the Father, so the “Jesus is Yahweh God” claim flatly contradicts the scriptures. Since Yahweh is the Father, and is the speaker in Joel 2:28-32, and Jesus is the Son, how does Joel 2:32 apply to Jesus? “Exalted at the right hand of God, he received the promise of the holy Spirit from the Father and poured it forth” (Acts 2:33 NAB). “God made Him both Lord and Christ—this Jesus” (Acts 2:36 LSB). As “Lord”, God has made Jesus “the leader to their salvation” (Hebrews 2:10 NAB). In fact, “there is no salvation through anyone else, nor is there another name under heaven given to the human race by which we are to be saved” (Acts 4:12 NAB). Yahweh God uses Jesus as, “the man who blazed the way that leads to life” (Acts 3:15 Barclay), the one whose name should be called on for salvation.
In Isaiah 45:23, God says to me, every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance.
In Philippians, chapter 2, verses 10 and 11, it says that one day every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
The worship.
That’s due to God is given to Jesus.
BA—Isaiah 45:22-23 – “For I am God, and there is no other. I have sworn by Myself . . . that to Me every knee will bow, every tongue will swear allegiance” (LSB). Yahweh God the Father is obviously the speaker here. Trinitarians claim, that since Philippians 2:10 quotes and applies ‘every knee bowing’ to Jesus, that Jesus is also Yahweh God. However, if we look at the context, we wee that Philippians 2:9 says that, “God exalted him to the highest place”. Therefore, Jesus cannot be Yahweh God. Also Philippians 2:10,11 goes on to say that, “at the name of Jesus every knee shall bow . . . to the glory of God the Father” (NIV). While “all may honor the Son just as they honor the Father” (John 5:23 NIV), only “the Father” is “God” (2 Corinthians 6:16-18 LSB:NASB).
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God.
And the Word was God.
He was with God in the beginning.
Through him all things were made.
Jesus was not created.
He’s the Creator.
All things were made through Him.
And it continues saying, and nothing that was made was made without him.
BA—No, the scriptures never refer to Jesus as “Creator”. “Jesus is God” adherents read that into the scriptures.
John 1:3,10 – “Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made . . . the world came to be through him” (NIV). We notice that Almighty God the Father created everything “through” Jesus, which indicates that Jesus is not the creator, but is “God’s agent in the creation of all things” (NAB note on Colossians 1:16). The scriptures here also testify to the fact that “God” is someone other than Jesus, and is, in fact, superior to, and, “greater than” Jesus (John 14:28).
In John chapter 1, verse 18, it says no one has ever seen God, the only God who is at the Father’s side.
He has made him known.
Because Jesus has always been the visible image of the invisible God.
BA—John 1:18 – “No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him” (LSB; NASB).
Jesus is “God”, in the sense of being “the only begotten God,” meaning that Jesus was created, but is obviously not the Almighty God, who created everything. Jesus is also “God” in a similar sense that Moses, Israelite kings, rulers and judges were called “God” (Exodus 7:1 EB; Psalm 45:6 NAB; Psalm 82:6 NAB). “O God: the king, uncourtly language is called ‘god,’ i.e., more than human, representing God to the people” (NAB note on Psalm 45:7).
Since no one has ever seen God, and yet, many people saw Jesus, Jesus could not be Almighty God. Trinitarians admit that the first mention of “God” in John 1:18 means the Father, and Jesus did explicitly say, “No one has seen the Father” (John 6:46 NIV). But, John 1:18 plainly says, “No one has ever seen God at any time” (NIV). 1 John 4:12 further confirms this by saying: “No one has ever seen God” (NIV; NAB; NLT). So, it’s not just “the Father” that “no one has ever seen, it is also “God” that “no one has ever seen.”
He didn’t start in Bethlehem.
BA—True!
Micah 5:2 – “But you, O Bethlehem of Ephrathah, who are one of the little clans of Judah, from you shall come forth for me one who is to rule in Israel, whose origin is from of old, from ancient days” (NRSV). Matthew 2:1-6 confirms that Micah 5:2 accurately predicted the birthplace of the Messiah, Jesus of Nazareth. But Micah 5:2 also mentions something else very significant about Jesus’ existence. It says that Jesus had an “origin”, a beginning, not with his birth on earth, but long, long before that, in the very distant past, in heaven. This scriptural fact overturns the key Trinitarian claim that the Son of God, Jesus Christ, has always been eternal. Jesus’ having an “origin” is powerful proof that he has not always been eternal, but was created. Due to Trinitarian bias, many translations of Micah render the Hebrew “עוֹלָֽם׃ (‘ō·w·lām)” as “eternity”. However, the Hebrew “עוֹלָֽם׃ (‘ō·w·lām)” more accurately means “from ancient days”, or “from indefinite time”, or “from hidden time. “Olam” can sometimes result in eternity, but someone who has an “origin” has not existed “from eternity”. Jesus having an “origin” is clearly shown throughout the Bible to have a beginning to his existence. “The Son . . . is . . . the firstborn of all creation” (Colossians 1:13,15 ESV; NRSV; LSB; NAB). “The words of the Amen, the Faithful and true witness, the beginning of God’s creation” (Revelation 3:14 ESV). “Yahweh created me, first-fruits of his fashioning, before the oldest of his works” (Proverbs 8:22 NJB). The entire Bible is clear that “Yahweh created” Jesus, and he was Yahweh’s “firstborn”, part of creation, “the firstborn of every creature” (KJV), which can never be said of Almighty God, since “Yahweh” has been “God” “from eternity” (Psalm 90:2,13 LSB;NAB). Jesus said, “I have come down from heaven” (John 6:38). “When the set time had fully come,God sent his Son, born of a woman” (Galatians 4:4 NIV), so “the Word became flesh” (John 1:14 LSB).
He is the I am, the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last God in the flesh.
BA—Not according to the scriptures.
“‘I am the Alpha and the Omega,’ says Yahweh God, ‘who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty'” (Revelation 1:8 LSB margin). The still very popular KJV translation has “Lord”, but omits the word “God” from Revelation 1:8. The four expressions, or titles, “the Alpha and the Omega”, “Yahweh God” (“the Lord God”), “who is and who was and who is to come”, and “the Almighty” apply exclusively to “God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ” (Colossians 1:3). Trinitarians assert that Revelation 1:8 applies to Jesus Christ, but these facts exclude that possibility. The title “the beginning and the end” (Revelation 1:8) is added to the KJV text, so Trinitarians try to claim that makes Jesus to be Almighty God. That claim doesn’t carry any weight since that expression doesn’t appear in the earliest and best Greek manuscripts.
Although Trinitarians claim that “the Alpha and the Omega” is Jesus Christ, this assertion is falsified by fact that “the Alpha and the Omega,” Almighty God, has “children” (Romans 8:14; Galatians 3:26 NIV), but no “brothers and sisters”. “I am the Alpha and the Omega . . . Those who are victorious . . . I will be their God, and they will be my children” (Revelation 21:6,7 NIV). In contrast, Jesus Christ is said to have “brothers and sisters” (Matthew 25:40 NIV; Hebrews 2:12 NIV), but no “children”. For this reason alone, Jesus Christ cannot be “the Alpha and the Omega.”
“In other words, it was God’s own precious blood being shed on that cross. God didn’t just say He’d rather die than live without you. He proved it. He did it. It was no normal human blood on that cross.”
BA—“You were redeemed . . . with the precious blood of Christ” (1 Peter 1:18-19 NIV). It is asserted by many that “God died for our sins”. However, not only did God not die for sins, according to the scriptures, he couldn’t die for our sins! The fact that “Christ died for our sins” (1 Corinthians 15:3) is the basis for Christianity (John 3:16). In 1 Peter 1:18-19, Christ’s sacrificial death again is emphasized, reinforcing the fact that he can’t be God, since “God . . . will not die” (Habakkuk 1:12 NIV). Trinitarians like to assert that “God died for our sins”, but the Bible never says that God died for our sins. In fact, if any part of Christ has remained alive, he couldn’t have died for our sins. To assert that, “God died for our sins”, is a flat contradiction of the scriptures.
“He is the I am”
BA—Not according to the scriptures.
In John 8:58, the issue is actually not about Jesus’ identity/existence, but it’s really about his age–whether he was alive when Abraham was alive. Let’s look at the context to see this:
“‘Your father Abraham as he looked forward to my coming. He saw it and was glad.’ The people said, ‘You aren’t even fifty years old. How can you say you have seen Abraham?'” (John 8:56,57 NLT).
Based on Jesus’ saying, “I am”, as most translations render it at John 8:58, and ignoring the context, Trinitarians make the leap to claim that Jesus Christ is the “I am” of Exodus 3:14, and he therefore is God Almighty. In Exodus 3:14, Almighty God makes a statement about his identity, whereas in John 8:58, Jesus explains that he was alive before Abraham was born. However, if saying “I am” makes a person God, the healed blind man must be God Almighty, because he said “I am” at (John 9:9 NAB).
JESUS IS THE SERVANT OF THE “I AM”, ALMIGHTY GOD
An extremely powerful proof that Jesus Christ is not the “I Am” of Exodus 3:14 is the following:
“The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release him”—Acts 3:13 LSB; NASB
“God spoke further to Moses and said to him, ‘I am Yahweh and I appeared to Abraham, to Isaac, and Jacob as God Almighty, but by my name Yahweh, I was not known to them'”—Exodus 6:2,3 LSB
“God Almighty”, who is “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,” identifies himself as “Yahweh” at Exodus 6:2,3. We also notice in Acts 3:13,26; 4:27,30 that “Yahweh”, who is “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob,” has a “servant” (Greek, “pais”) named “Jesus”. Thus, FOUR times Jesus is named as the great I Am’s “servant”. This means that “the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob”, the “I AM”, cannot be Jesus Christ, because Jesus is “his servant” (“pais”). Yahweh is not a servant to anyone, but Jesus is Yahweh’s servant. Additionally, “Our Lord”, “our God”, is specifically referred to as having “his Messiah” (Revelation 11:15; NIV; 12:10 NIV), who is obviously Jesus Christ.
“My servant: . . . Scholars are of the opinion . . . that the original concept reflected in the words identified Jesus with the suffering Servant of the Lord of Is 52:13 – 53:12. [NAB note on Acts 3:13]. Jesus is referred to as “my servant” at Isaiah 52:13 (NIV), which again emphasizes the fact that he is Yahweh’s “servant”. Therefore, Jesus Christ cannot be the “I am” of Exodus 3:14, and cannot be Almighty God, because he is God’s “servant”. This fact also refutes the Trinitarian claim that he and his Father are “equal.” Jesus said, “the Father is greater than I am” (John 14:28 GWT). Jesus is presented as God’s “servant” (Acts 3:13,26; 4:27,30) in the Bible, not as his “equal.”
ACCURATE TRANSLATIONS OF JOHN 8:58
When John 8:58 is accurately translated, the issue also clears up even more:
“Jesus said to them, truly, truly, I say to you, Before Abraham was born, I was”—John 8:58 Lamsa
“Jesus said to them, ‘I tell you, I existed before Abraham was born'”—John 8:58 An American Translation by Edgar Goodspeed (AAT)
“Then Jesus said to them, ‘I most solemnly say to you, I existed before Abraham was born'”—John 8:58 Williams New Testament (WNT)
“‘Truly, truly, I tell you, said Jesus, ‘I have existed before Abraham was born'”—John 8:58 Moffatt
“Before Abraham existed I was”—John 8:58 The Twentieth Century New Testament
“As Jesus Himself said, if you do not believe that I AM HE, you will die in your sins.”
BA—John 8:24 –“If you do not believe that I am he, you will indeed die in your sins” (NIV). Some equivocate, or read into, Jesus’ expression, “I am he” –“I am God”. However, that is not what Jesus taught, and it isn’t what the gospel of John teaches. Jesus himself taught, “I am the Son of God” (Jojo 10:36). John’s stated purpose of his gospel is, “that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God” (John 20:31 LSB). To assert that Jesus was telling people he was God is a gross distortion of scripture.
“If you continue to say Jesus is not God with ALL THIS EVIDENCE, die a heretic and go to hell then”
BA—Who did Jesus say he was?
“I said, ‘I am the Son of God” (John 10:36).
Thanks for your “help”, but I think I’ll stick with what Jesus said!
“For believing Jesus is God is THE MAIN POINT OF SCRIPTURE!”
BA—That’s not what the scriptures say.
Let’s see what the scriptures actually do say:
“These have been written so that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that by believing you may have life in His name” (John 20:31 LSB).
“These are the words of the Son of God” (Revelation 2:18 NIV).
Thanks for all your “help”, but I think I’ll stick with what the scriptures and Jesus himself actually say!
“Jesus IS God of the Old Testament”
BA—“For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us . . . And His name will be called . . . Mighty God, Eternal Father . . . the zeal of Yahweh of hosts will accomplish this”—Isaiah 9:6-7 LSB. Trinitarians claim that the titles “Mighty God” and “Eternal Father” mean that Jesus is Almighty God. Since “the zeal of Yahweh of hosts will accomplish this”, it is plain to see that Jesus is not Yahweh. Also, Yahweh God the Father has never been anyone’s child or son, because he has lived “from eternity” (Psalm 90:2 NAB), so Isaiah 9:6 cannot apply to him. The only one who Isaiah 9:6 can apply to is the Son of God, Jesus Christ.
Trinitarians sometimes attempt to equivocate the term “Mighty God” into “Almighty God”. However, just as there is a clear distinction between the two in modern English, there is also an even more pronounced demarcation between these two titles in the ancient Hebrew language of scripture. Thus, Jesus is “Mighty God”, “El Gibhor” in Hebrew, but he is never referred to anywhere in the Bible’s 31,100 scriptures as “Almighty God”, “El Shaddai” in Hebrew, “Yahweh of hosts”, in the English translation.
Jesus certainly is “mighty,” and he is “God,” is the sense of being very powerful, and “representing God to the people” (NAB note on Psalm 45:6). The context shows that Jesus, the “Mighty God” is not “Yahweh of hosts”. Also, for example, no one would claim that Moses was Yahweh God because he was told, “YHWH said to Moses: ‘See, I have made you God to Pharaoh'” (Exodus 7:1 BLB). According to the scripture, Moses was “God”. Does that make him someone to worship? Does that make him equal to “YHWH”?
“Your throne, O God, will last forever” (Psalm 45:6 NIV), refers to the Israelite king as “God”. Does that make him someone to worship? Does that make him equal to “YHWH”? The footnote on this verse in the NAB (Psalm 45:6) explains: “O God: the king, in courtly language, is called ‘god’, i. e., more than human, representing God to the people”.
“I declare: ‘Gods though you be, offspring of the Most High all of you'” (Psalm 82:6 NAB). “Gods though you be: In John 10:34 Jesus uses the verse to to prove that those to whom the word of God is addressed can fittingly be called ‘gods'” (NAB note on Psalm 82:6). Israelite kings, rulers and judges were “God”. Does that make them someone to worship? Does that make them equal to “YHWH”? Like the Israelite kings, rulers and judges, Jesus is called “Mighty God”, due to the fact that he is the foremost representative of God to the people.
Trinitarians ignore the fact that Jesus is never called “Almighty God” in the Bible, which fact makes it clear that Jesus Christ is not Almighty God. The Bible makes clear that, “The Lord God Almighty” is someone different from “the Lamb” (Revelation 21:22), Jesus Christ.
Jesus has been given power to resurrect the dead and give the worthy ones eternal life. “Just as the Father raises the dead and gives life, so also does the Son give life to whomever he wishes” (John 5:21 NAB). For this reason, Jesus can rightly be called “Eternal Father” without being God himself. Later, in the book of Isaiah, “Eliakim,” who replaced “Shebna the palace administrator,” was called “a father to those who live in Jerusalem” (Isaiah 22:15,20,21 NIV), which shows that even ordinary humans can be called “father” without being God.