HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN GOD?
Some people today say they have seen God. Preachers teach that people in the Bible saw God. Is this true? What does the Bible say?
“The Son is the image of the invisible God”—Colossians 1:15 NIV
“To the King eternal, immortal, invisible“—1 Timothy 1:17 NIV
The Bible says that Almighty God is invisible. What is invisible cannot be seen by human eyes. He has always been “invisible”. “I, Yahweh, do not change” (Malachi 3:6 NJB)
“Yahweh said, ‘ . . . no human being can see me and survive.”—Exodus 33:20 NJB
“No one has ever seen God”—John 1:18 NIV; 1 John 4:12 NIV
“No one has ever seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father”—John 6:46 NIV
“God . . . who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see”—1 Timothy 6:15,16 NIV
Thus, the scriptures throughout the entire Bible are very clear that no one has ever seen God!
What about those instances where someone is said to have seen God? One thing to keep in mind is that, “In the past spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and IN VARIOUS WAYS” (Hebrews 1:1 NIV). (Emphasis ours)
Angels at times spoke or acted on behalf of God. —See Genesis 16:7-13
“Yahweh appeared to him at the Oak of Mamre . . . and there he saw three men standing near him” (Genesis 18:1,2 NJB). One of these angels represented Yahweh. “While the men left there and went to Sodom, Yahweh remained in Abraham’s presence” (Genesis 18:22 NJB). “When he had finished talking to Abraham Yahweh went away . . . When the two angels reached Sodom in the evening . . . “—Genesis 18:33; 19:1 NJB). This is a clear indication that the “men” were materized “angels”. Hebrews 13:2 confirms that “some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it” (NIV).
“Jacob” said, ‘I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared'” (Genesis 32:30 NIV), after “He struggled with the angel and overcame him” (Hosea 12:4 NIV). The angel was not God, but represented God.
“Manoah said to his wife, ‘We are certain to die because we have seen God'”. Taken out of context, this looks like the had actually “seen God”. But had they? The context reveals: “Manoah understood that this had been the angel of Yahweh.” (Judges 13:21,20 NJB).
Sometimes God was seen in visions.
“The word of Yahweh came to Abram in a vision”—Genesis 15:1 NJB
“Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel . . . they saw God, and they ate and drank” (Exodus 24:9-11 NIV). This is often cited by those who like to believe that Almighty God has been seen by humans. However, if this rendering is literally true, it contradicts other scriptures which say that ‘No one has ever seen God.” The Hebrew can also be rendered as, “they had a vision of God, and did eat and drink” (Exodus 24:11 The Emphasized Bible [EB]). (Emphasis ours)
“God spoke to Israel in a vision at night and said, ‘ . . . I am God, the God of your father'”—Genesis 46:2,3 NIV (Emphasis ours)
“My eyes have the King, Yahweh Saboath” (Isaiah 6:5 NJB) is often cited as “proof” that Isaiah had “seen the LORD Almighty”. However, this claim is debunked when the wider context of the Book of Isaiah and the entire Bible is taken into consideration. For instance, “These are the visions that Isaiah son of Amos saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. He saw these visionsduring the years when Uzziah, Jotham, Ahaz, and Hezekiah were kings of Judah” (Isaiah 1:1 NLT). Thus, the Book of Isaiah opens with an explanation of how Isaiah received his information—It was through “visions”. (Emphasis ours)
Ezekiel 1:26-29 is sometimes asserted by those who want to believe that Ezekiel saw Almighty, however, Ezekiel opened his book by explaining: “the heavens were opened and I saw visions of God” (Ezekiel 1:1 NIV). So, any seeming view “of God” is explained to be in “visions”.
Stephen “looked up intently to heaven and saw the glory of God and Jesus standing at the right hand of God, and he said. ‘Behold, I see the heavens opened and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God” (Acts 7:55,56 NAB). This account is also used to “prove” that Almighty God. However, the phrase “the heavens opened” is almost identical to Ezekiel’s phrase “the heavens were opened,” where he explained he “saw visions of God”. Once again, when the wider context of the entire Bible is considered, it is obvious that Stephen had a vision of God and Jesus.
“The Lord called to him in a vision, ‘Ananias!'”—Acts 9:10 NIV. The account is narrated to explain that Ananias had “a vision” of “the Lord”.
How about where, “Yahweh said: ‘ . . . if there is a prophet among you, I reveal myself to him in a vision, I speak to him in a dream. Not so with my servant Moses . . . to him I speak face to face . . . he sees Yahweh’s form'” (Numbers 12:6-8 NJB)? This is asserted to mean that Moses actually literally saw God. But, yet again, when we consider both the local and the wider Biblical context, Almighty God explains what he means, “to him I speak . . . plainly and not in riddles” (Numbers 12:8 NJB), and when Moses asked to see God, “Yahweh said,’ . . . no human being can see me and survive'” (Exodus 33:19,20 NJB).
Thus, the entire Bible is very clear that, “No one has ever seen God” (1 John 4:12 NIV), because he is “invisible” (1 Timothy 1:17 NIV)..
27 thoughts on “HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN GOD?”
RT: HAS ANYONE EVER SEEN ALMIGHTY GOD?
GW: Yes and No. According to many Bible verses some human persons have seen God. On the other hand, we now know that God does not exist, and so no human person has actually seen God. Nobody can see a nonexistent thing.
RT: The short is “No”! How do we know?
GW: The short and long answer is “No. Nobody has ever seen God because he doesn’t exist. How do we know? Because we have many valid arguments showing that he does not exist!” Isn’t this obvious?
RT: “The Son is the image of the invisible God”—Colossians 1:15 NIV “To the King eternal, immortal, invisible”—1 Timothy 1:17 NIV
GW: These are two of the verses which claim that God is invisible, but there are many verses which contradict these.
RT: Almighty God is invisible. What is invisible cannot be seen by human eyes.
GW: According to the standard definition, God is a hypothetical intelligent agent who would be normally or ordinarily invisible to human beings, but who would sometimes make himself visible. He would be typically invisible because he would be made of a substance which is spiritual in nature, not physical in nature, and thus he would not reflect light. However, he could transform himself in the spiritual form into himself in the physical form whenever he wished because he would be all-powerful. And he would wish to do this and would actually do it when he wished to accomplish a goal in the most efficient way, such as deliver an important message to human beings. Since God does not actually exist, at best we can only make rational speculations about what he would be like, if he did exist. Your speculations are not rational.
RT: “Yahweh said, ‘ . . . no human being can see me and survive.”—Exodus 33:20 NJB “No one has ever seen God”—John 1:18 NIV; 1 John 4:12 NIV “No one has ever seen the Father except the one who is from God; only he has seen the Father”—John 6:44 NIV “God . . . who lives in unapproachable light, whom no one has ever seen or can see”—1 Timothy 6:15,16 NIV
GW: This is just more of the same – cherry picked verses to support the idea that God would be always invisible.
RT: Thus, the scriptures throughout the entire Bible are very clear that no one has ever seen God!
GW: This is a false statement. I already presented verses which contradict these. Maybe you lost or forgot them, so I will present them to you again:
Genesis 18:1-2: “The LORD appeared to Abraham near the great trees of Mamre while he was sitting at the entrance to his tent in the heat of the day. Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby.”
Exodus 24:9-11: “Moses and Aaron, Nadab and Abihu, and the seventy elders of Israel went up and saw the God of Israel… they saw God, and they ate and drank.”
Exodus 33:11: “The LORD would speak to Moses face to face, as one speaks to a friend.”
Numbers 12:6-8: “When there is a prophet among you, I, the LORD, reveal myself to them in visions, I speak to them in dreams. But this is not true of my servant Moses; he is faithful in all my house. With him I speak face to face, clearly and not in riddles.”
Isaiah 6:1-5: “In the year that King Uzziah died, I saw the Lord, high and exalted, seated on a throne; and the train of his robe filled the temple.”
Ezekiel 1:26-28: “Above the expanse over their heads was what looked like a throne of sapphire, and high above on the throne was a figure like that of a man. I saw that from what appeared to be his waist up he looked like glowing metal, as if full of fire, and that from there down he looked like fire; and brilliant light surrounded him. Like the appearance of a rainbow in the clouds on a rainy day, so was the radiance around him.”
Acts 7:55-56: “But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. ‘Look,’ he said, ‘I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God.'”
RT: What about those instances where someone is said to have seen God?
GW: Yes, they contradict other instances where someone claimed that God is always invisible.
RT: Angels at times spoke or acted on behalf of God. —See Genesis 16:7-13
GW: Yes, there are verses which claim that angels spoke on behalf of God, but these verses are irrelevant to the question we are discussing which is “If God did exist, would he sometimes be visible?” for which the answer is Yes. Besides, God would never use angels to communicate for him; he would communicate for himself for reasons we have already discussed.
RT: “Jacob” said, ‘I saw God face to face, and yet my life was spared'” (Genesis 32:30 NIV),…
GW: Thank you for citing a verse which actually contradicts your claim that God would always be invisible.
RT: after “He struggled with the angel and overcame him” (Hosea 12:4 NIV). The angel represented God.
GW: So, Jacob was dealing with God AND an angel. Very interesting.
GW: You are stuck on a minor issue – whether God would always be invisible or not – and are just evading the big issues. You still did not provide your so-called “Biblical definition of God.” Where is it? You still did not specify what morally justified reason God would have to allow the Holocaust, if he existed. Where is it? You are just engaged in distraction and evasion. Most Christians do this in discussions with atheists.
This article has just now been updated with additional clarifying Biblical evidence. You may want to look at it.
“Additional clarifying Biblical evidence” doesn’t matter. The Bible has conflicting verses on the factor of the visibility of God, and so the Bible cannot be and never has been the word of God. If he did exist, God would not be the source of contradiction and confusion. If God did exist, there are only three possibilities: 1) God is always invisible. 2) God is sometimes invisible and sometimes visible. and 3) God is always visible or potentially so, if God is present to a human being. Option #2 is the best conclusion on this issue, as I already explained to you. The authors of the verses you cherry picked on visibility were just mistaken.
You still haven’t presented your Biblical definition of God. So far, the ONLY feature of God in the standard definition to which you disagreed was “normally invisible.” Is that all? Otherwise, you agree with the standard definition?
There are no contradictions in the Bible, because “God . . . does not die” (Titus 1:2). According to the Bible, God is always “Invisible”. See the article.
Of course there are contradictions in the Bible! Not only have I pointed out some to you on the issue of the visibility of God, I have pointed out others to you regarding details of the alleged crucifixion and resurrection of Jesus in our past discussions. The Bible cannot be the word of God since if he did exist, he would not tolerate contradictions in a book attributed to him. Wouldn’t happen. As I said before, if God did exist he would follow this CUE moral rule: ““Any person X should not lie to any other person Y, except when it is necessary to protect X or a third party Z from serious injury or death.”
Also, God would not use human authors to communicate to humanity. He would do his own communication DIRECTLY, as I told you before. Your personal god is just too small and is definitely not God.
We’ve proven your alleged “contradictions” in the Bible not true several times. God has communicated directly with humans a few times, such as at Luke 3:21,22; Mark 9:7 and John 12:28,29. All the rest of his communications with humans have been through intermediaries (Hebrews 1:1,2). “The Lord God Almighty”, who “created all things” (Revelation 4:8,11 NIV), can communicate however he wishes. “He does as he pleases . . . No one can hold back his hand” (Daniel 4:35 NIV).
RT: We’ve proven your alleged “contradictions” in the Bible not true several times.
GW: False. In the current discussion about God’s visibility I have presented many verses which contradict the many verses you presented. So, “alleged contradictions” have now been proven! The Bible cannot be the word of God because God would not allow contradictions in a book attributed to him. Duh.
RT: God has communicated directly with humans a few times, such as at Luke 3:21,22; Mark 9:7 and John 12:28,29.
GW: There are stories that God communicated with humans, but these stories have not been verified by hard evidence. We know they are false since God does not exist, and this has been proven.
RT: All the rest of his communications with humans have been through intermediaries (Hebrews 1:1,2).
GW: False. If God did exist, he would never use intermediaries. He would know of the dangers of using them and he wouldn’t need them. You are conveniently forgetting that God would be all-powerful and perfectly moral. Paul, Muhammad, and Joseph Smith all claimed to be intermediaries for God and have had millions of followers, and some of their assertions are CONTRADICTORY! So it is obvious that if God did exist, he would prevent this mess by delivering his own messages. Duh.
RT: “The Lord God Almighty”, who “created all things” (Revelation 4:8,11 NIV), can communicate however he wishes. “He does as he pleases . . . No one can hold back his hand” (Daniel 4:35 NIV).
GW: Yes, if God did exist he would ALWAYS communicate what he wishes and what pleases him and nobody would hold back his hand. And he would always wish to communicate directly and not use intermediaries. This is what would please him. He would neither allow anyone to hold him from directly speaking to humans nor allow anyone to speak for him. You are still thinking of your own lesser god rather than of God, and that is why you reach the wrong conclusions.
GW: You said that you use a “Biblical definition of God.” I asked you to present it many times, and you still haven’t. Do you actually have this definition? Were you lying to me?
GW: If God did exist, what morally justified reason do you believe he would have to allow the Holocaust? You continue to evade that question also.
Your arguments about the visibility or invisibility of God are refuted in this article, and your arguments about supposed contradictions concerning Jesus’ trial, death, and resurrection are all refuted in the two articles on this website previously cited. If you’re not willing to investigate further, ‘your blood be upon your own head, we’re innocent of it’ (Acts 18:6)
RT: Your arguments about the visibility or invisibility of God are refuted in this article,…
GW: I don’t believe you and as I already said, I won’t read your new article on this topic. It would just be a waste of my time. I have already presented the verses on visibility which contradict the verses you presented on the same subject. There’s nothing more to say on this issue. Duh.
RT: and your arguments about supposed contradictions concerning Jesus’ trial, death, and resurrection are all refuted in the two articles on this website previously cited.
GW: False. I presented the contradictions and you never refuted them.
RT: If you’re not willing to investigate further, ‘your blood be upon your own head, we’re innocent of it’ (Acts 18:6)
GW: You are stuck on a very minor issue – the visibility of the hypothetical God, and you keep evading key questions and issues, which I keep repeating to you, and I will repeat them again here:
GW: You said that you use a “Biblical definition of God.” I asked you to present it many times, and you still haven’t. Do you actually have this definition? Were you lying to me?
GW: If God did exist, what morally justified reason do you believe he would have to allow the Holocaust? You continue to evade that question also.
If you put the word “contradictions” into the search bar on this site, a couple of articles refuting the supposed “contradictions” in the gospels will come up. Check them out.
No. I won’t check them out. I am not going to waste my time doing that. It is a fact that I presented Biblical verses on the visibility of God which contradict verses you presented on the same topic. Our readers can easily see this if they have been following the discussion.
GW presents boring and ridiculous arguments.
RT: GW presents boring and ridiculous arguments.
GW: False. I present interesting, rational, and correct arguments. Nobody has yet found and presented an error in my Holocaust argument against the existence of God, and it is just one of many interesting, rational, and correct arguments which I have.
GW: You said that you use a “Biblical definition of God.” I asked you to present it many times, and you still haven’t. Do you actually have this definition? Were you lying to me?
GW: If God did exist, what morally justified reason do you believe he would have to allow the Holocaust? You continue to evade that question also.
How can any human think they know what God says or thinks?
RT: How can any human think they know what God says or thinks?
GW: No human can do this since God does not exist, and this has been proven! On the other hand, humans can think or know what God WOULD say, think, or do, IF GOD DID EXIST. I have explained to you how to do this. Keep in mind that God is a hypothetical person or intelligent agent, and so we are analyzing the situation in the hypothetical.
GW: You said that you use a “Biblical definition of God.” I asked you to present it many times, and you still haven’t. Do you actually have this definition? Were you lying to me?
GW: If God did exist, what morally justified reason do you believe he would have to allow the Holocaust? You continue to evade that question also.
RT: How could any human being possibly know what God would KNOW or THINK?
GW: That is actually a good question and I am happy to answer it. First, you must specify the correct standard definition of God, as I have done. Then, you must RATIONALLY INFER from the already listed traits and behaviors of God what he would know, think, and behave, IF HE DID EXIST! I have also done this. So, for example I have concluded that God would PREVENT the Holocaust and you have concluded that God would ALLOW the Holocaust, if he did exist. My conclusion is rational, but yours is not.
GW: We can only talk about the hypothetical God since God does not exist. I and others have proven this by many arguments in which you have found no error.
GW: You said that you use a “Biblical definition of God.” I asked you to present it many times, and you still haven’t. Do you actually have this definition? Were you lying to me?
GW: If God did exist, what morally justified reason do you believe he would have to allow the Holocaust? You continue to evade that question also.
Why so much discussion about the Holocaust? Go visit a Holocaust website.
GW: Cissy, welcome to the discussion! I will use “CS” to refer to you.
CS: Why so much discussion about the Holocaust? Go visit a Holocaust website.
GW: I have visited Holocaust websites. I have visited the Holocaust Museum in Washington, DC. I have read several articles and books on the Holocaust. What about you?
GW: I guess you are not aware of my Holocaust argument, so I will present it to you now.
Notice: After you read the argument, please provide answers to these questions:
1. Do you understand the argument? If not, what specifically do you not understand?
2. Is there an error in the argument? If so, what is it?
3. Do you agree that the argument and its conclusion are correct? If not, why not?
The Three-Way Argument Against the Existence of God Based on the Holocaust: By Gary Whittenberger, 1-29-2023
1. Definition: God is 1) the hypothetical, unique, supernatural, independent, spiritual, normally invisible person, intelligent agent, or sentient entity. He is OMNI lasting (eternal), present, knowing, powerful, intelligent, rational, creative, and resilient (invincible). He is also OMNI loving, compassionate, and moral with respect to other persons. He fills the roles of cosmos designer and producer (creator), occasional interventionist in the world, and afterlife manager who decides the favorable or unfavorable disposition of human souls after they die. or 2) the greatest imaginable possible person (the “GIPPer”) who, if he existed, would surely be worthy of our greatest respect, admiration, and worship. Or 3) the hypothetical ideal person, intelligent agent, or sentient being, i.e. that possible person with all desirable traits to their highest degrees and with no undesirable traits.
The First Way
2. If God did exist, then he would be all-knowing, all-powerful, invulnerable, and perfectly moral.
3. If God did exist, then the Holocaust would not have occurred.
A. If God did exist and allowed the Holocaust, then he would have been immoral. To give human beings the free will to engage in violent acts in furtherance of the extermination of a group of human persons would be immoral in itself. And to stand by and do nothing to prevent or stop an extermination, when you could do so, would have been immoral in itself.
B. But God would be perfectly moral.
C. Therefore, if God did exist, then he would not have allowed the Holocaust and so it would not have occurred.
4. But the Holocaust did occur.
5. Therefore, God does not exist.
The Second Way
6. Furthermore, if God did exist, then he allowed the Holocaust to occur for one or more morally justified reasons.
7. But there are and could be no morally justified reasons for God to allow the Holocaust. Consider these possibilities:
A. One possible morally justified reason for a person to allow the Holocaust is that they did not know about the Holocaust. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be all-knowing.
B. Another possible morally justified reason for a person to allow the Holocaust is that they did not have the power to prevent it or immediately stop it. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be all-powerful.
C. Another possible morally justified reason for a person to allow the Holocaust is that they would have been killed in an attempt to prevent or stop it. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be eternal and all-powerful.
D. Another possible morally justified reason for a person to allow the Holocaust is that they would have been significantly injured in an attempt to prevent or stop it. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be invulnerable and all-powerful.
E. Another possible morally justified reason for a person to allow the Holocaust is that they would have significantly suffered in an attempt to prevent or stop it. But this could not be a reason for God since he would be invulnerable and all-powerful.
F. Another possible morally justified reason for a person to allow the Holocaust is that allowing it would be necessary for them to prevent some greater harm than the Holocaust. But this could not be a reason for God since nothing at all would be necessary for him to allow in order to prevent some greater harm since he would be all-powerful. God would have dominion over all necessities and natural laws.
G. Another possible morally justified reason for a person to allow the Holocaust is that allowing it would be necessary for them to produce a benefit which outweighed the Holocaust. But this could not be a reason for God since nothing at all would be necessary for him to allow in order to produce some benefit that would outweigh the Holocaust since he would be all-powerful. God would have dominion over all necessities and natural laws.
H. Another possible morally justified reason for a person to allow the Holocaust is that permitting it would implement just punishment for every victim. But the Holocaust did not have the features of just punishment for every victim. For example, it lacked advance rule declaration, administration by proper authority, individualized proportional severity, and least effective severity for all victims.
8. Therefore, God does not exist.
The Third Way
9. Furthermore, if any tribunal is investigating or evaluating the occurrence of any horrible harm to a person or group of persons, then anyone who has knowledge of any detail related to that occurrence should present their testimony about what they know. Every person knowledgeable of the occurrence has a moral duty to come forward to the tribunal and testify to what they know, telling the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
10. The Nuremberg Trials constituted a tribunal investigating or evaluating the occurrence of the Holocaust.
11. And so, if God did exist, because he would be both all-powerful and perfectly moral, then at the Nuremberg Trials he would have testified as a witness, sworn to tell “the whole truth and nothing but the truth, so help me myself,” and presented his reasons for allowing the Holocaust.
12. But God did not testify at the Nuremberg Trials.
13. Once again, therefore, God does not exist.
RT: Can you not read GW?
GW: That is an insulting question.
RT: You have responded to RT when he has not presented the comments. DUH
GW: I will assume that the responder is RT until/unless a new responder clearly identifies himself/herself. What is your full name? When you respond, please use your full name, first name, or initials so we will know who is making the comment. Duh.
Cissy,and your comments are an insult to Christians. Are you a grown person? Who uses DUH in their comments?
CS: Cissy,…
GW: I will use “CS” to refer to you henceforth.
CS: and your comments are an insult to Christians.
GW: False. They are challenging and critical of Christian ideas, beliefs, and conclusions.
CS: Are you a grown person?
GW: That’s another insulting question.
CS: Who uses DUH in their comments?
GW: I do. Duh. It means “This is obvious to any person thinking rationally.” Duh. Don’t get stuck on the Duh. Instead, focus on the challenges, questions, and criticisms of your ideas. Better yet — read, study, and respond to the Holocaust argument I presented to you.
This is not a Holocaust website so, no, your comments regarding the Holocaust will not be responded to.
CS: This is not a Holocaust website so, no, your comments regarding the Holocaust will not be responded to.
GW: The fact of the Holocaust is part of my correct argument against the existence of God. The website is titled “Bible Authenticity.” It is devoted to discussion of claims in the Bible and about the Bible. One claim in the Bible is that God exists. My argument is a refutation of that claim.
GW: Of course you won’t respond to my argument. Duh. That is what many Christians do — they evade. They run away. They fail to meet their intellectual and moral obligation as Christians. I am not surprised. You can’t find and present an error in the argument and so you just ignore it. The argument and the conclusion stand — God does not exist. Now proven.
There is NO light with darkness, so there is no fellowship with the likes of you. You are immoral and corrupt in your presentation. Hope your life here on this earth is good to you, as it is at death where your life will end! I will not respond to you anymore. I do feel sorry for you, though.
CS: There is NO light with darkness, so there is no fellowship with the likes of you.
GW: Irrelevant. You are attacking me instead of addressing my argument against the existence of God.
CS: You are immoral and corrupt in your presentation.
GW: That is a false, irrational, and mean comment. Because you can find no error in my actual argument against the existence of God, you try to undermine me as a person. Many Christians do that.
CS: Hope your life here on this earth is good to you, as it is at death where your life will end! I will not respond to you anymore. I do feel sorry for you, though.
GW: Your feelings about me are irrelevant. If you think you have found an error in my argument, please let me know. Otherwise, you are just wasting our time.
What I say as the spouse of the author of this website is relevant. And, the only reason you are allowed to present your immoral and corrupt atheist views on this website is MY input. Be cautious how you address me. You are subject to take a vacation from this website. And that TRUTH DOES EXIST. THIS IS CS SPEAKING TO YOU.
CS: What I say as the spouse of this website is relevant.
GW: What you said previously was irrelevant to the CURRENT TOPICS of discussion which are the existence of God, my Holocaust argument, the definition of God, the visibility vs. invisibility of God, and contradictions in the Bible.
CS: And, the only reason you are allowed to present your immoral and corrupt atheist views on this website is MY input.
GW: My views are atheist, moral, rational, and correct. If you disagree, present and defend your alternative views.
CS: Be cautious how you address me. You are subject to take a vacation from this website.
GW: I follow all rational, moral, and legal rules of all discussion forums in which I participate.
CS: And that TRUTH DOES EXIST.
GW: Well of course truth exists! “You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free!”
CS: THIS IS CS SPEAKING TO YOU.
GW: Thanks for identifying yourself as CS rather than RT.